<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'> Woj: Carter LVP of the First Half January 26, 2008, 4:45 pm Yahoo! Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski leaves little to the imagination about his feelings towards Vince Carter in a mid-season report card. Carter, he writes, is the NBA’s “Least Valuable Player”, adding “As badly as Rod Thorn would love to trade him, there are no takers. Ownership wanted to overpay Carter last summer – not the basketball people – and they’re stuck with him”. Not a great week for VC. Bryant gets nod over James for first-half MVP - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports</div>
Carter is really catching heat from everyone these days. Seeing as how I don't see him going anywhere, I just hope this motivates him. If not...then this 6 game losing streak is just the beginning.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Vince, RJ, Kidd, Thorn, Frank everyone of these guys is holding the Nets back. I don't think he is a LVP though, the guy attacks but he just doesn't have it anymore to finish the job. (hides behind couch).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jan 26 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL. Who couldn't see this coming? Nets struggle? Shit on Vince! Safe, tried and predictable.</div> history has shown other wise. Carter is about to feel the wraith of the media. He sign a new contract. This only adds more gas to the fire. Expect to see Wince appear again and Raptor fans laughing saying we told you so. I can't be mad though I expected this but as the article said you had someone who knows nothing about basketball making the basketball decisions and people are wondering why the Nets are in this state????
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 26 2008, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jan 26 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL. Who couldn't see this coming? Nets struggle? Shit on Vince! Safe, tried and predictable.</div> history has shown other wise. Carter is about to feel the wraith of the media. He sign a new contract. This only adds more gas to the fire. Expect to see Wince appear again and Raptor fans laughing saying we told you so. I can't be mad though I expected this but as the article said you had someone who knows nothing about basketball making the basketball decisions and people are wondering why the Nets are in this state????</div> history has shown other wise??? What are you blathering about? The history with this team has been they come into the season or find out during the season they have several problems. Whether that be shooting, defense, front court production, the bench. At the beginning they struggle to find their game and they struggle in the standings. If they are healthy they have a good chance of turning things around. If they have injuries they struggle to turn things around but eventually do. But during the rough times an inordinate amount of blame gets placed on Carter. Heck, even when things are going well and one hiccup happens things explode on Carter like when that 14 game win streak ended against the Cavs when Carter was having a good game until late in the 4th where he committed a couple of costly turnovers. People completely jumped on him about it. Expect to see "Wince" appear again and Raptor trolls shriek about "We told you so" based on history? Hello, Carter hasn't missed many games with injury for the last several years. He has been quite healthy. And freak injuries can happen to anyone at anytime. And that article was complete trash. The Nets are in a slide and that douche bag commentator gives Vince LVP when during this 8 game losing streak the Nets opponents are scoring an average of 110 PPG, shooting 43% from three and 48.6% from the field.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 26 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NOMAM is the only vince fan left. wah, wah, wah, wah, wah</div> Well that's a really dumb thing to say. For one, it's possible for people to be vince fans and admit that he's not playing that well as of late. It's called being "objective." Go look up the definition for it and slam your dome into the book, maybe it'll stick.
Oh yeah, he's the sole reason for the Nets sucking. It's not the shitty team defense. Wait...more like the non-existant perimeter defense. And it is in no way, shape, or form because of the Nets poor excuse for an offense. It's Vince Carter, solely Vince. The only one on the team who can create a shot for himself, and the only player other than Kidd on this team who can create for others. Don't blame Kidd and his high turnovers, low field goal percent! Don't blame RJ not playing defense, or putting up the norm 6 turnovers per game! Don't blame this team's awful free throw percentage! Let's just blame Vince. Put it all on Vince. Oh yeah, and completely ignore the fact that we went on a ~6 game losing streak with Vince out. Nope, just blame Vince for this team sucking. Really, now, I'm just hoping and praying Vince reads this and somehow pulls a 50 point game out of his ass. (probably not likely, or possible, but it'd be pretty cool)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 26 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh yeah, he's the sole reason for the Nets sucking. It's not the shitty team defense. Wait...more like the non-existant perimeter defense. And it is in no way, shape, or form because of the Nets poor excuse for an offense. It's Vince Carter, solely Vince. The only one on the team who can create a shot for himself, and the only player other than Kidd on this team who can create for others. Don't blame Kidd and his high turnovers, low field goal percent! Don't blame RJ not playing defense, or putting up the norm 6 turnovers per game! Don't blame this team's awful free throw percentage! Let's just blame Vince. Put it all on Vince. Oh yeah, and completely ignore the fact that we went on a ~6 game losing streak with Vince out. Nope, just blame Vince for this team sucking. Really, now, I'm just hoping and praying Vince reads this and somehow pulls a 50 point game out of his ass. (probably not likely, or possible, but it'd be pretty cool)</div> Well said. I still look back and laugh when people (including Kidd) said that with Vince coming to the Nets, Kidd would be the lightning rod. Kidd, as the leader, would be the guy to catch the heat when things got touch. Vince would just need to play and let Kidd deal with all the criticism. Guess what? Despite the fact that Kidd has committed turnover after costly turnover this year, often at crucial moments of games, and has shot the ball even more poorly than usual; despite the fact that he's not kept a foot near Carter's rear end -- as a real leader would do -- to extract his best effort/intent night in and night out; despite the fact that he's seemed indifferent and unmotivated at times on the court; I don't hear anyone in the press (and very few elsewhere) holding HIM accountable or saying that he's a dog because he's "quit" on his team. Even Dave D, who's the only guy to even acknowledge that Kidd is PLAYING like he wants out of Jersey, said it in a most non-judgmental, "can you blame him?" fashion. Double standards will never cease. And Carter will always be the scapegoat -- the easy answer -- when things go bad. And that was decided a long time ago by small-minded, jealous people who hated him because his competitive talent never matched his basketball talent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jan 26 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 26 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh yeah, he's the sole reason for the Nets sucking. It's not the shitty team defense. Wait...more like the non-existant perimeter defense. And it is in no way, shape, or form because of the Nets poor excuse for an offense. It's Vince Carter, solely Vince. The only one on the team who can create a shot for himself, and the only player other than Kidd on this team who can create for others. Don't blame Kidd and his high turnovers, low field goal percent! Don't blame RJ not playing defense, or putting up the norm 6 turnovers per game! Don't blame this team's awful free throw percentage! Let's just blame Vince. Put it all on Vince. Oh yeah, and completely ignore the fact that we went on a ~6 game losing streak with Vince out. Nope, just blame Vince for this team sucking. Really, now, I'm just hoping and praying Vince reads this and somehow pulls a 50 point game out of his ass. (probably not likely, or possible, but it'd be pretty cool)</div> Well said. I still look back and laugh when people (including Kidd) said that with Vince coming to the Nets, Kidd would be the lightning rod. Kidd, as the leader, would be the guy to catch the heat when things got touch. Vince would just need to play and let Kidd deal with all the criticism. Guess what? Despite the fact that Kidd has committed turnover after costly turnover this year, often at crucial moments of games, and has shot the ball even more poorly than usual; despite the fact that he's not kept a foot near Carter's rear end -- as a real leader would do -- to extract his best effort/intent night in and night out; despite the fact that he's seemed indifferent and unmotivated at times on the court; I don't hear anyone in the press (and very few elsewhere) holding HIM accountable or saying that he's a dog because he's "quit" on his team. Even Dave D, who's the only guy to even acknowledge that Kidd is PLAYING like he wants out of Jersey, said it in a most non-judgmental, "can you blame him?" fashion. Double standards will never cease. And Carter will always be the scapegoat -- the easy answer -- when things go bad. And that was decided a long time ago by small-minded, jealous people who hated him because his competitive talent never matched his basketball talent. </div> Great posts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jan 26 2008, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 26 2008, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jan 26 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL. Who couldn't see this coming? Nets struggle? Shit on Vince! Safe, tried and predictable.</div> history has shown other wise. Carter is about to feel the wraith of the media. He sign a new contract. This only adds more gas to the fire. Expect to see Wince appear again and Raptor fans laughing saying we told you so. I can't be mad though I expected this but as the article said you had someone who knows nothing about basketball making the basketball decisions and people are wondering why the Nets are in this state““</div> history has shown other wise“? What are you blathering about? The history with this team has been they come into the season or find out during the season they have several problems. Whether that be shooting, defense, front court production, the bench. At the beginning they struggle to find their game and they struggle in the standings. If they are healthy they have a good chance of turning things around. If they have injuries they struggle to turn things around but eventually do. But during the rough times an inordinate amount of blame gets placed on Carter. Heck, even when things are going well and one hiccup happens things explode on Carter like when that 14 game win streak ended against the Cavs when Carter was having a good game until late in the 4th where he committed a couple of costly turnovers. People completely jumped on him about it. Expect to see "Wince" appear again and Raptor trolls shriek about "We told you so" based on history? Hello, Carter hasn't missed many games with injury for the last several years. He has been quite healthy. And freak injuries can happen to anyone at anytime. And that article was complete trash. The Nets are in a slide and that douche bag commentator gives Vince LVP when during this 8 game losing streak the Nets opponents are scoring an average of 110 PPG, shooting 43% from three and 48.6% from the field. </div> ummmmm calm down. I thought I quoted the person who said that he hopes this motivates Vince to play better. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Jan 26 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter is really catching heat from everyone these days. Seeing as how I don't see him going anywhere, I just hope this motivates him. If not...then this 6 game losing streak is just the beginning.</div> That where my statement history has shown other wise. Now if you are familiar with any of my post I never attack or blame Carter. The only thing I comment on is that he was not worth the money he was sign and since day one I knew from the way that this team is built it was not built to compete for a chip. This is not only VC fault this whole team is a mess and as I stated earlier you have people who know nothing about basketball making basketball decisions. It's not about W's or L's to him. It's about dollar and cents. I'm not here to argue about how good VC is or blah blah blah. I don't have to cause 1. no matter how hard I argue or you argue it doesn't matter. The truth on how good VC is proven on the court by the way he plays. That's where the judgment takes place. Players are judge on their accomplishments and failures. If their failures outweigh their success they will be judge harshly. Sorry if I confused you I meant to quote the other person. So don't worry I wasn't nailing your messiah to the cross but the rest of media will be soon enough
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 26 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh yeah, he's the sole reason for the Nets sucking. It's not the shitty team defense. Wait...more like the non-existant perimeter defense. And it is in no way, shape, or form because of the Nets poor excuse for an offense. It's Vince Carter, solely Vince. The only one on the team who can create a shot for himself, and the only player other than Kidd on this team who can create for others. Don't blame Kidd and his high turnovers, low field goal percent! Don't blame RJ not playing defense, or putting up the norm 6 turnovers per game! Don't blame this team's awful free throw percentage! Let's just blame Vince. Put it all on Vince. Oh yeah, and completely ignore the fact that we went on a ~6 game losing streak with Vince out. Nope, just blame Vince for this team sucking. Really, now, I'm just hoping and praying Vince reads this and somehow pulls a 50 point game out of his ass. (probably not likely, or possible, but it'd be pretty cool)</div> Lol, I know you were being sarcastic, but your arguement is persuading. It's easier to put it all on one player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 26 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 26 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh yeah, he's the sole reason for the Nets sucking. It's not the shitty team defense. Wait...more like the non-existant perimeter defense. And it is in no way, shape, or form because of the Nets poor excuse for an offense. It's Vince Carter, solely Vince. The only one on the team who can create a shot for himself, and the only player other than Kidd on this team who can create for others. Don't blame Kidd and his high turnovers, low field goal percent! Don't blame RJ not playing defense, or putting up the norm 6 turnovers per game! Don't blame this team's awful free throw percentage! Let's just blame Vince. Put it all on Vince. Oh yeah, and completely ignore the fact that we went on a ~6 game losing streak with Vince out. Nope, just blame Vince for this team sucking. Really, now, I'm just hoping and praying Vince reads this and somehow pulls a 50 point game out of his ass. (probably not likely, or possible, but it'd be pretty cool)</div> Lol, I know you were being sarcastic, but your arguement is persuading. It's easier to put it all on one player. </div> Maybe so. But does that make it right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 26 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 26 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 26 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh yeah, he's the sole reason for the Nets sucking. It's not the shitty team defense. Wait...more like the non-existant perimeter defense. And it is in no way, shape, or form because of the Nets poor excuse for an offense. It's Vince Carter, solely Vince. The only one on the team who can create a shot for himself, and the only player other than Kidd on this team who can create for others. Don't blame Kidd and his high turnovers, low field goal percent! Don't blame RJ not playing defense, or putting up the norm 6 turnovers per game! Don't blame this team's awful free throw percentage! Let's just blame Vince. Put it all on Vince. Oh yeah, and completely ignore the fact that we went on a ~6 game losing streak with Vince out. Nope, just blame Vince for this team sucking. Really, now, I'm just hoping and praying Vince reads this and somehow pulls a 50 point game out of his ass. (probably not likely, or possible, but it'd be pretty cool)</div> Lol, I know you were being sarcastic, but your arguement is persuading. It's easier to put it all on one player. </div> Maybe so. But does that make it right? </div> Of course not, I'd say each player has a share of the blame (although not each player has the same share), same thing with the coach.
Vince is the Dark horse of the Eastern Conf. Just as Kobe is of the West. Both get blamed when their teams lose LOL Coincidentally, both were also compared/hailed as the next MJ early in their careers (til' now)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 26 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With 21ppg-5rpg-4apg? </div> "yeah, but how many shots does he have to take to get that 20" -Magic
