Putting aside my dislike for Girardi, what do you guys think of Dusty Baker? He was just fired by the Reds. He's a proven winner with his success in San Fran & Cincinnati.
He's not a proven winner, he's a proven loser, unless I missed the World Series he won as a manager, and that's all that matters here in NY.
Rusty you've got this habit of saying some of the DUMBEST shit I've ever seen posted on these sights. And your info is generally wrong. First off Dusty is a proven loser? 3 time manager of the year & finished 2nd 3 other times. 20 years in the league with a winning record & with Cincinnati the Reds have won 90+ games in 3 of there last 4 years. Hell he was even a 500 mgr with the pathetic Cubs. A loser?..........really? And as far as your other REALLY dumb comment " He's a proven loser,unless I missed the world series he won as a Mgr & that's all that matters in NY". Again.............really? Before Torre took over the Yankees in 14 years he had one 1st place finish. Bob Lemon had 5 years experience & never won anything before joining the Yankees. Neither did Billy Martin in 7 years prior to the Yankees. Even our current mgr Girardi had only one year experience in Florida & had a losing record. Now you ready for this????? What do all these Yankee managers have in common, Dick Howser, Stump Merrill, Bucky Dent, Lou Pinella, Yogi Berra, Gene Michael & Buck Showalter? I'll tell you....prior to managing the Yankees they NEVER managed ANYONE. Rusty seriously, to avoid looking like idiot going forward, You really need to start checking shit out before you post.
So, if we limit any potential next-Yankee manager to only guys who won a WS elsewhere - it doesn't leave too many options, does it? Pretty shallow criteria there rusty. I hope Girardi stays (although you should note that prior to his hire - he also had never won a WS). Baker would be serious option, as would Tony Pena if they chose to sat in-house. I know he just re-signed in Minnesota, but Ron Gardenhire was a a guy who I always respected as well (and yea, no WS wins on his resume either).
Billy Martin took the Twins to the playoffs in '69, Detroit in '72, plus got a good finish out of Texas one year prior to joining the Yankees. Two mistakes the "Boss" made early was firing Gabe Paul who built the '76-78 Yankees and not leaving Billy Martin in there to take care of business. I have wondered at times how Tony Pena would do if Girardi does leave. I will have to admit that I like Dusty Baker, the man did a good job with San Fran, got snakebit with the Cubs, don't know what happened with the Reds this season they just appeared to be not in the game and that team has some quality players. Gotta go along with Vette on Gardenhire, the man is a Minnesota Fixture with a consistent presence.
Gardenhire is a talent, I always respected him and the players all like him, no drama with his teams... Baker on the other hand I feel is a below average manager. The Reds have talent, lots of it, and unlike the Yankees who over-achieved this year, if there was a team that under-achieved then the Reds must be counted in that group.
...if Girardi does not return, and I think he will, I'm thinking Mattingly, Pena, maybe Willie Randolph. I always liked LaRussa's hard nosed style but I doubt he'd come out of retirement....come to think of it, Tony might make a good GM....just throwing that out there.
Major with all due respect a below average manager doesn't finish 1 & 2 in manager of the year voting 6 times. With that said I also like Gardenhire. As far as under achieving the Reds were expected to finish near the top, they did that. The Reds were expected to win over 90 games & they did that also. Unfortunately Baker doesn't hit & pitch. He did his job. Now you want a team that under achieved you need look no further then the Nats.
Not a bad idea. There doesn't seem to be much the guy doesn't know about the game. He also appears to be a very good judge of talent. Unfortunately I really don't see Cashman going anywhere. And although I'm not a big fan I also think Girardi will be retained.
How did you rate Bobby Cox? There are managers that are blessed with a window of exceptional talent. The Reds I feel should still be playing. I know Votto said it was his worse season. Your point about the Nationals is correct. I think they were still to young and I feel they figured that out. Harper is a talent, but needs to mature. In closing, I just don't see Dusty as all that special.
Cox is another one of the managers like Torre (Yankees) & to a lesser degree Baker (Giants & Reds) that benifited from having good talent to work with. Of all the current managers I'd put Baker in the top 5.
Current top 5 managers in baseball today in no particular order in my opinion. Mike Scioscia Buck Showalter Ron Gardenhire Joe Girardi Mike Matheny With respect to Leyland, Donnie Baseball, and John Gibbons...
...because for one I've always admired him and the way he conducts himself and his business, but also because he's currently not committed to anyone and not under contract.
I would not put Girardi or Matheny in the top 5. Top 10 perhaps but not top 5. Mine would be (in no particular order) Showalter Gardinhire Francona Farrell Baker Followed by........... Leyland Scioscia Melvin OTHERS
All that amounts to jack squat in my book, show me the rings or you got nothing. He's a loser until he wins, end of story. Same with Showalter, nothing special to me.
There's an old adage that says, " It's best to be silent & have people just think you're an idiot then to open your mouth & remove all doubt". I'm beginning to think that 59 is right when he says that you are quickly replacing Pasta as the boards pinata. But I'll tell you what, just out of curiosity since in your opinion only managers that have won a WS are any good suppose you enlighten the board with your choices for the current top 5 managers in baseball. This ought to be good.
No no no, according to Rusty if he didn't win a world series he wasn't worth a pimple on an elephant's ass.
