I was just watchin ESPN and they said that after the game where Randolf only played 10 min Randolf went into the locker room and in front of everyone yelling at Isiah Thomas to trade him and Isiah just smiled n shook his head. They just tried to trade him to the Bucks but the Bucks denied it. Would he improve us or slow us down? Should we try for him?
1) It's RandolPH Take a step back. Ask yourself. Do the Nets want Zach Randolph? Would I want him on my favorite team? Would he help us? If you answer yes to any of these questions, slit your wrists...vertically.
you're kidding, right? The Blazers dumped him for nothing and instantly became a zillion times better. Doesn't that count for something?
no no no, I want no part of him. in addition to all of the stuff previously mentioned, I'd like to add this wonderful bit of statistics provided by ghoti: http://sportstwo.com/forums/Amazing-Zach-R...ph-t107762.html
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToddMacCulloch11 @ Jan 16 2008, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>no no no, I want no part of him. in addition to all of the stuff previously mentioned, I'd like to add this wonderful bit of statistics provided by ghoti: http://sportstwo.com/forums/Amazing-Zach-R...ph-t107762.html</div> I've added some historical context.
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no .... I mean yes! No not really. Do we really need a shooting big man who couldnt D'up my mother? Yes he can score but he is like a frankenstein of Malik Allen, Glen Robinson and Vin Baker when it comes to defense... No thankyou.
wow i guess nobody wants him lol. He definately can still score tho and although we have so many potential scorers on our team we can't score for shit.. I say we wait till tonight's game n if Randolph is lightin us up then we make a trade for him at half time and throw him a Nets Jersey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToddMacCulloch11 @ Jan 16 2008, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>no no no, I want no part of him. in addition to all of the stuff previously mentioned, I'd like to add this wonderful bit of statistics provided by ghoti: http://sportstwo.com/forums/Amazing-Zach-R...ph-t107762.html</div> lmao idk how i missed that thread thats good. But hes not as bad as he seems you have to remember that he plays for the good old New York Knickerbockers who love to pay a kabillion dollars for stars on other teams and turn them into trash immediately
You can spend all day polishing a turd, but at the end of the day all you have is a shinny turd. Put down your buffing cloth and go clean the shit out of it.
It'd be nuts not to do Kidd's trade above. You look at the guy's assists and turnovers as if those are important in a big man. I look at his points, FG%, and rebounds, which are more than just good. He's only 27 years old, too, so you will get a few seasons of decent performance out of him. 16.8/10 is fine for a big. His 1.8 APG is fine, too. To put it in perspective... There are 6 guys with 10 RPG and more than 1.8 APG. There are 7 guys with 10 RPG and more PPG. Yao and Howard both average more TO/G, as does Kaman. Boozer's only a hair better, and Kidd's way up there at 3.7 TO/G. As I see it, the Nets need a post scorer and an outside shooter, and Randolph gives you some of both (30% 3pt for a big is good). You can get away with a weaker defensive player, as he is one, if you have strong wing defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 16 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It'd be nuts not to do Kidd's trade above. You look at the guy's assists and turnovers as if those are important in a big man. I look at his points, FG%, and rebounds, which are more than just good. He's only 27 years old, too, so you will get a few seasons of decent performance out of him. 16.8/10 is fine for a big. His 1.8 APG is fine, too. To put it in perspective... There are 6 guys with 10 RPG and more than 1.8 APG. There are 7 guys with 10 RPG and more PPG. Yao and Howard both average more TO/G, as does Kaman. Boozer's only a hair better, and Kidd's way up there at 3.7 TO/G. As I see it, the Nets need a post scorer and an outside shooter, and Randolph gives you some of both (30% 3pt for a big is good). You can get away with a weaker defensive player, as he is one, if you have strong wing defense.</div> So you think it's a good idea for the Nets to be on the hook for $48M to Zach Randolph?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 16 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It'd be nuts not to do Kidd's trade above. You look at the guy's assists and turnovers as if those are important in a big man. I look at his points, FG%, and rebounds, which are more than just good. He's only 27 years old, too, so you will get a few seasons of decent performance out of him. 16.8/10 is fine for a big. His 1.8 APG is fine, too. To put it in perspective... There are 6 guys with 10 RPG and more than 1.8 APG. There are 7 guys with 10 RPG and more PPG. Yao and Howard both average more TO/G, as does Kaman. Boozer's only a hair better, and Kidd's way up there at 3.7 TO/G. As I see it, the Nets need a post scorer and an outside shooter, and Randolph gives you some of both (30% 3pt for a big is good).</div> That is one way to look at the tangible stats. The other way is to look at how much better the Blazers are performing by not having such a player on their team. The Nets are not in a position to take on a problem child, especially not with Sean Williams on the roster. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You can get away with a weaker defensive player, as he is one, if you have strong wing defense.</div> The Nets don't have a strong, nor even an average wing defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 16 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd rather be on the hook for a 20/10 kind of guy than for the three guys in Kidd's trade.</div> They are not.
They will be for guys like them for the length of Randolph's contract. I'm looking at the makeup of the team and what's out there. You really need a guy like Allen or Redd (not that they're available), but you don't have a place to play them big minutes. You can make up for it with a 4 or 5 who can shoot for a decent enough percentage. Like I said, you get a 46% shooter who hits 30% from 3pt in Randolph, plus you get a guy who's physical enough to get his share of boards for the position. Is Magloire getting any PT for the Nets? He should certainly shore up the interior defense, but has to really work to score. I'm OK with Malik Allen in certain roles, but he's not your full-time answer. Collins? Your grandmother is an upgrade. Look at Kidd's link again. Collins PER 2.11 (that has to be an all-time kind of record) Allen PER 10.38 Magloire PER 2.12 Add it up: 14.61 Randolph has a PER of 17.07 (Kidd's is 16.90, FWIW), which is impressive enough.
Trading three players to whom you owe a combined $6.2M after this season for Zach Randolph is the kind of trade that sets an organization back 15 years. Also, Jason Collins' expiring contract will be extremely valuable next season whether the Nets are rebuilding or not.
