Time to fire entire training staff?

[Fez Hammersticks]

A sports kinesiologis thinks so:

In the August of 2008, I received a call from then Portland Trailblazer’s assistant General Manager Tom Penn. “I heard about your services and want to know if you have an interest in conducting your biomechanics assessment on Greg Oden?” was how he started the conversation. To which I replied, “Of course, what did you have in mind?”

According to Tom, they had just been given the ok for Greg to start practicing basketball. After about an hour of conversation about what types of tests I would perform, Tom and I decided now would be as good a time as any. Well, it turns out Greg Oden was in LA filming an episode of a television show and if I could get there before he left it would be an ideal time to test Greg. So I packed up my biomechanics equipment and headed for LA.

Oden’s Right knee appears to have recovered from the surgery. Data indicates the ability to bear weight almost normally in the Right Quadriceps and Hamstrings. However, a deeper look at the data indicates that Oden’s normal gait patterns have altered to compensate for weaknesses in his right lower leg and as a result, does not distribute weight appropriately throughout the entire Right Leg. To compensate for the original injury and lower leg weaknesses, Oden has started to bear at times as much as 144% of his weight on the left leg (Ex.: during running trial at 7.0mph for 15 seconds, ROM 10.8 degrees extension L compared to 4.4 degrees of extension R). To compensate, Oden’s Right Leg excessively internally rotates during extension (push off) at lower speeds. While at higher rates of speed excessively abducts and externally rotates indicating circumduction of the Right leg. This action can lead to hip pain on the right side, lower back pain/injury and opposite side knee pain as rotational forces cause the opposite knee to twist and as a result the quadriceps muscles to overload to resist the rotation. This could be the cause of the Left Leg Patella Tendonitis.

And you can believe it or not, but the medical staff laughed off my recommendations. In fact, we spent nearly two hours at dinner with the medical staff questioning my results and looking for reasons to discredit the results rather than search for solutions to keep the team’s multimillion dollar athlete on the court.

After completing testing of the entire team (in Portland and LA) and a retest of Greg Oden in Portland, I was astonished at the results of the athletes on the Trailblazer teams. While some athletes demonstrated more biomechanical efficiency than others. The results of several athletes stood out: Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, and Joel Pryzbilla. Each of their results showed imbalances, which if gone untreated, would lead to long-term, career threatening, chronic knee issues among other random supposedly unrelated injuries.

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[RoyToy]

The fact they let Roy play 9 days after surgery is all you need to know.

 

[Rhal]

I won't be jumping on the ban wagon of this unless we get more information. One guy coming out and saying all this, even with everything that has happened to the three players he named, proves nothing without him posting all the data. Right there he is just summarizing what he supposedly found. I won't say that he is wrong, just that I need more information to believe this.
I should say i'm not against a whole new training staff, just that this article doesn't make me immediately want there heads.

 

[Denny Crane]

FIre the GM that hired that guy.

 

[RoyToy]

I won't be jumping on the ban wagon of this unless we get more information. One guy coming out and saying all this, even with everything that has happened to the three players he named, proves nothing without him posting all the data. Right there he is just summarizing what he supposedly found. I won't say that he is wrong, just that I need more information to believe this.
I should say i'm not against a whole new training staff, just that this article doesn't make me immediately want there heads.

His analysis matches up with Gary Gray's, a world-renowned physical therapist who also said that when watching Greg Oden run and jump he can see multiple problems that would lead to injuries down the road.

Gary Gray is about as good as it gets in this field.

 

[Masbee]

I called out the entirety of the Blazer medical and training team a long time ago.

In fact, here you go:

I think they all should be replaced. Doctors, surgeons, thearapists, trainers. Everybody.

I don't think it is much different than cleaning house when the coaching staff gets the axe for failing to win.

And the whole line that we can't have an opinion because we didn't go to Medical School is ABUSURD.

I can see FAILURE without a degree.

I can demand the team get the "Best" as a fan.

Do those "don't question the doctor" folks think every person who goes through medical school is EQUAL? Or, do you recognize that some are better than others - and some are much, much better than others.

I seriously doubt that our staff is the best there is at each thing they do. Let's get the best.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/153211-Do-you-question-the-Blazers-medical-staff?highlight=oden

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Greg: July 2011 --
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Greg: December 2011 --
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[BBert]

This isn't news. It's simply confirmation of what we all knew already, with measurable test results to back it up. My own chiropractor, who is also a kinesiologist, has been beside himself for years wishing they'd get Greg proper diagnosis and treatment.

It isn't 'time' to fire the entire medical training staff. It was time three years ago.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

After his second MF he looked decent and then his patellar rupture caused his knee cap to explode.

I've never seen any pro athlete go down with a non-contact injury like that. One report, I believe by Quick, said that his muscles contracted so hard in that leg it caused that injury. Kinda like exactly what this guy explained in great detail?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think this article is great news!

It proves it doesn't matter if we would have drafted Oden or Durant. Our medical staff would have ruined both of their careers!

 

[HailBlazers]

Sad verification of what has always been a stirring mystery.

The way they treated Greg always seemed off.

 

[Natebishop3]

You'd think you'd fire the training staff after all the knee injuries we've had over the years. Makes you wonder if Oden's career would have gone differently if we had employed a better training staff.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

You'd think you'd fire the training staff after all the knee injuries we've had over the years. Makes you wonder if Oden's career would have gone differently if we had employed a better training staff.

I don't know if it would have made that big of a difference. Coming into the NBA draft a lot of red flags were raised by many GM's after reviewing his physical.

However, with a competent staff maybe they could have salvaged Greg Oden.

 

[Rhal]

His stuff about Oden might have some relavence but as for his conjecture about Outlaw/Joel/Roy/Batum its pretty BS. Roy had special shoes made for his knees by Nike to combat the big problem with his knees also "Brandon Roy’s “degenerative knees” can be healthy and he could play for 5-10 more years with the " This guy does realize that outside doctors told Roy to retire and not the medical staff right? Joel fell on top of his own leg causing his first injury, then slipped in his shower later that year and re-injured it. Outlaw broke his foot and Batum's Shoulder was injured because of a hard screen in International play. So unless this guy is a clairvoyant he is full of shit on Outlaw/Batum/Pryz and possibly Roy too.

 

[KingSpeed]

With Michael Redd starting to dominate again, it is clear that the Phoenix Suns' staff knows shit our staff doesn't.

 

[Rhal]

With Michael Redd starting to dominate again, it is clear that the Phoenix Suns' staff knows shit our staff doesn't.

I think its pretty clear the Suns staff knows shit everyone else in the league doesn't. PA needs to offer double their current salary and steal them from PHX.

 

[jlprk]

A sports kinesiologis thinks so:

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That page is much longer than the OP excerpts and is replete with numerous grammatical and spelling errors. The writer, Zig Ziegler, has no degree, much less an M.D.

http://zigsports.wordpress.com/about/

 

[BBert]

I don't know if it would have made that big of a difference. Coming into the NBA draft a lot of red flags were raised by many GM's after reviewing his physical.

However, with a competent staff maybe they could have salvaged Greg Oden.

Under the supervision of a top kinesiologist, there was an excellent chance of getting a few good years out of Greg. Stupid, cheap bastards.