Aldridge injured (slightly)

[RoyToy]

If Aldridge gets up and gets in his face and a minor scuffle breaks out(like when Ariza hit Rudy), he might have gotten the flagrant 2. At the point the crowd gets into it and mercifully starts booing. No one really got in each others face though.

 

[EPIC FAIL GILDERHUS]

That's what I was thinking as well. I don't think he had any thoughts or intent about delivering a "message" or anything. He just wanted to stop the fast break.

While I agree that Collison wasn't trying to send a message or anything, you can't just tackle someone trying to stop a fast break. I think it was a stupid move on his part, and he showed total disregard for player safety. Its not like it was a one point game or anything, either...

 

[BGrantFan]

That's what I was thinking as well. I don't think he had any thoughts or intent about delivering a "message" or anything. He just wanted to stop the fast break.

Of course he wanted to stop the fast break. He fucking tackled LA to stop the fast break. Collison wanting to stop the fast break certainly doesn't condone his actions, though.

I'm waiting for the NBA will put out a memo rescinding the Flagrant One, right after they put out a memo saying the refs missed three calls while Durant was shooting in the second half. Clay Bennett must have found David Stern's alleged kiddie porn stash, and is blackmailing him with it.

 

[blazerboy30]

If Aldridge gets up and gets in his face and a minor scuffle breaks out(like when Ariza hit Rudy), he might have gotten the flagrant 2. At the point the crowd gets into it and mercifully starts booing. No one really got in each others face though.

Where in the rules does it make any mention about what happens after the foul?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

While I agree that Collison wasn't trying to send a message or anything, you can't just tackle someone trying to stop a fast break. I think it was a stupid move on his part, and he showed total disregard for player safety.

Again, the tackle was better than a spinning knockdown. Had he not grabbed LA, it probably wouldn't have been a flagrant (since he would have just hit him on the arm), but there probably would have been a greater likelihood of injury to Aldridge.

Its not like it was a one point game or anything, either...

You're right--it was an 8 point game with over 2 1/2 minutes left, and playoff seeding on the line. Not a critical juncture of the game or anything...

 

[Eastoff]

Where in the rules does it make any mention about what happens after the foul?

would you say the rules mention super stars should get more calls in the favor? Would you say this doesn't occur?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Again, the tackle was better than a spinning knockdown. Had he not grabbed LA, it probably wouldn't have been a flagrant (since he would have just hit him on the arm), but there probably would have been a greater likelihood of injury to Aldridge.

Agreed, and not to defend Collison, but he rolled so that Aldridge would actually land on him rather than directly on the floor. While he did a dangerous move, it looked to me like he was trying to mitigate the possible damage as much as possible.

 

[Eastoff]

Agreed, and not to defend Collison, but he rolled so that Aldridge would actually land on him rather than directly on the floor. While he did a dangerous move, it looked to me like he was trying to mitigate the possible damage as much as possible.

yeah that is a very good point. He could have easily landed on top of LA if he wanted to.

 

[EPIC FAIL GILDERHUS]

Again, the tackle was better than a spinning knockdown. Had he not grabbed LA, it probably wouldn't have been a flagrant (since he would have just hit him on the arm), but there probably would have been a greater likelihood of injury to Aldridge.



You're right--it was an 8 point game with over 2 1/2 minutes left, and playoff seeding on the line. Not a critical juncture of the game or anything...

Yes...commiting a foul that AT LEAST is going to be called a flagrant 1, giving him 2 shots and the ball, and igniting the crowd and opposing team- is CLEARLY better than letting Aldridge dunk it. Collison had no play on the ball, so mostly it was just stupid play on his part.

 

[BBert]

That's overstating it a bit. LA's own momentum was what drove him into the basket stanchion.

From my perspective, Collison was running from the left side of the court to challenge Miller who was approaching the hoop from the right. He then changed directions when the ball was passed to Aldridge, and he hooked LA's right arm to prevent him from getting the shot up. These two were what caused Aldridge's body to turn, making a fall inevitable.

Collison actually did Aldridge a favor by reaching around him with the left arm. Had he not, Aldridge would have gone up a lot higher, gone a bit more horizontal in the air, and would probably have fallen much more awkwardly. Collison somewhat stabilized his fall by ensuring they fell together.

I get your point, I think, but it's not like Aldridge was going to crash to the floor and stanchion and injure himself if it weren't for Collison swooping in and saving his life. Collison caused the train wreck and could have caused a sever injury to our best remaining player, and you seem to be giving him credit for being the good samaritan who got the kids out of the van that stalled on the tracks.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yes...commiting a foul that AT LEAST is going to be called a flagrant 1, giving him 2 shots and the ball, and igniting the crowd and opposing team- is CLEARLY better than letting Aldridge dunk it. Collison had no play on the ball, so mostly it was just stupid play on his part.

You watched it--how much time did Collison have to react between when Miller passed the ball, and when he made contact with Aldridge? Less than 1/10 of a second? Do you really think he intended to tackle Aldridge? I don't. I think he intended to prevent the dunk, which is the correct play. The arm wraparound was instinct--hold on to the largest object available while falling. Unfortunate, yes, but not stupid.

 

[BBert]

Apparently, Aldridge's momentum must have pulled the helpless Collison to the floor. I guess the next step is a league memo condemning the refs for missing the call, since clearly it should have been a Flagrant 1 on Aldridge.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I get your point, I think, but it's not like Aldridge was going to crash to the floor and stanchion and injure himself if it weren't for Collison swooping in and saving his life. Collison caused the train wreck and could have caused a sever injury to our best remaining player, and you seem to be giving him credit for being the good samaritan who got the kids out of the van that stalled on the tracks.

More comparable would be him unintentionally rear-ending the van, pushing both it and his own car onto the tracks, and then continuing to lay on the accelerator to get both his car and the van out of the way.

He caused the problem, but he acted in a manner which prevented it from being a worst-case scenario. Cut him some slack.

 

[BBert]

More comparable would be him unintentionally rear-ending the van, pushing both it and his own car onto the tracks, and then continuing to lay on the accelerator to get both his car and the van out of the way.

He caused the problem, but he acted in a manner which prevented it from being a worst-case scenario. Cut him some slack.

I'll give you that.

 

[BGrantFan]

Again, the tackle was better than a spinning knockdown. Had he not grabbed LA, it probably wouldn't have been a flagrant (since he would have just hit him on the arm), but there probably would have been a greater likelihood of injury to Aldridge.

The tackle was also better than Collison clubbing the back of LA's head with a chair, Collison going Last Boy Scout on LA and putting a cap literally in his ass, or even Collison trying to felch LA as he was going up for the lay-up.

What the fuck?

 

[BGrantFan]

That's overstating it a bit. LA's own momentum was what drove him into the basket stanchion.

Yes. LA would have run into the base of the basket even without Collison tackling him from behind. The tackle had nothing to do with it. It was LA's own momentum. Fucking brilliant, because every time I've seen LA dunk, he flails into the basket pad afterward.

LA is just lucky that Collison was there to cushion his fall on this occasion. If anything, LA should have received the Flagrant for falling on Collison, who was merely trying to save LA from injuring himself due to his own momentum.

 

[HailBlazers]

would you say the rules mention super stars should get more calls in the favor? Would you say this doesn't occur?

true dat