OT Oden Charges?

I can see what you mean but on principle... I just couldn't have someone accusing me of DV and getting away with it. Especially if I'm innocent.

 

My comment was in reference to your statement that this country hates women. It is completely false. There's a thread on reddit right now about a woman doctor who used the semen from a blowjob to get herself pregnant, sued for child support, and won. There's another case of a 14 year old boy who was raped by a grown woman, got the rapist pregnant, she sued for child support and won.

And as I said before, your wife or girlfriend could walk into a police station right now with some random bruise and get you convicted of domestic violence. I'm not saying oden didn't do it. I'm saying your statement about this country hating women is extremely off base.


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Well, you and I will certainly disagree on that. Maybe it's just the Right Wing who hates them... Here's what they've tried to do.


1) Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't yet. Shocker.

2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims."

3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)

4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.

5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.

6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said.Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.

7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.

8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.

9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.

10) And if that wasn't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up).

 

So you think a bunch of stupid legislation that most likely won't even get passed is evidence of your opinion that the country hates women? These morons are pushing buttons. They're pandering to their stupid constituents. We're heading into elections very soon and this is the result. Both sides are trying to get things passed.

Plus, it seems like a lot of that is aimed at the poor, not just women.

 

Not one of those bills should have even been thought of. Let alone presented as an actual piece of legislation that should have been considered. Actions speak louder than words so when you ACT and put forward this type of bullshit, it shows what you are for. Simply saying they are doing this to pander to their base is not telling the whole story. Fucking Marco Rubio is a presidential candidate and he is pushing for the SAME SHIT Paul Ryan put forward with regard to eliminating the abortion exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. This is what they want bro... They would rather let women die than let her have an abortion if her life is in danger.

 

It doesn't matter what a few morons want. It matters what is actually passed.

 

They actually want to enact this shit....

 

It's a reason NOT to vote for them.

 

I disagree that they're not the norm. I know of two people who were convicted of domestic violence without any actual evidence. Just the word of their spouse, and that was good enough. One of them had literally just found out that his wife was cheating with a friend of his, he called her and asked if they could talk, she went straight to the police and said he was hitting her. To be fair, I'm sure she did it because she was afraid of what he might do, but the fact that she was cheating on him WITH a cop and she changed her story multiple times, doesn't exactly give her much credibility. Here's a guy with no criminal record, no witnesses, and no history of police being called to the house or anything like that, and yet he was convicted. They lived in apartments, the neighbors never heard anything ever that would lead them to believe that there was domestic violence going on, but that didn't matter. She said he hit her, and that was all it took. This isn't uncommon. If a man is accused of rape, or violence, he is assumed to be guilty until proven innocent, and sometimes even the allegations are enough to ruin his life.

 

But the bottom line getting back to my OP:

If you smash a woman's face you should get more time than than $200 and DV counseling.

 

And if he was anyone other than a rich athlete, I can promise you that he would have gotten a ton more than that.

 

You keep bringing up people you know. Let's talk numbers. You probably know 2000 people (very high number).
Of the small amount of people you know you brought up 2 instances. There are +350 MM people in this country.
Your small sample size does not reflect the actual numbers. DV is a problem in this country and you bringing up your
stories really sweeps this problem under the rug. EVERY DV should be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Now you're making my point for me.

 

Agreed.

 

The numbers of what exactly? People who don't report DV? People who are turned away by the police? People who lose a case against their spouse for DV? I'm unsure of what you're trying to prove at this point. My claim is that our courts are set up to protect women and to favor a woman's word over a man's when it comes to domestic violence. It is set up this way for a reason, because for a long time domestic violence was overlooked and women were not protected. My mother was one of those women, BUT our system is supposed to protect EVERYONE, not just women. And we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. How can you prove guilt when there is no evidence? How can you prove guilt when it's the word of one person over the word of another?

 

Completely untrue. How the police handle an arrest has nothing to do with how the courts prosecute. You don't use the word over another to determine guilt. Pictures of assault are used. Simply saying the courts are skewed in favor of women is bull.

 

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A friend of mine was literally convicted on the word of his wife over his, as well as a number of friends and neighbors. There was zero actual evidence. Explain that please.


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