Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

Maybe, but they are still easier to find. And eventually I think we need both. I would love to morph Turner and Crabbe into one player......but we can't.

 

Here's a great summary of the Blazers cap situation if we match Crabbe - that to "Wiz" at another board

"I just wanted to take a little more detailed look at what Portland's cap situation could be next season

Damian Lillard $26,153,057
Evan Turner $17,131,148
Al-Farouq Aminu $7,319,035
Ed Davis $6,352,531
C.J. McCollum $25,000,000 (guess)
Anderson Varejao (stretched) $1,984,005
Jake Layman $905,249
Festus Ezeli $7,400,000
2017 1st round pick $1,500,000
Allen Crabbe $19,000,000
Mo Harkless $13,000,000 (guess)

126.5 million with a projected luxury tax threshold somewhere below 122 million. And that's only for 9 actual players. Notice that there are only 2 bigs there, with a 3rd being Aminu as a stretch-4. (Plumlee, Meyers, Vonleh, & Connaughton are not there) Even filling out the rest of the roster with veteran minimum types would still add 6-10 million more in salary and twice that (or more) in tax

and that team there is not anything close to a contender. Depending on who else they add, it might barely be a playoff team and could be lottery

even if you delete Crabbe's contract, the Blazers are still going to be tight against the luxury tax. Maybe tighter if Harkless gets a bigger offer. Just because the cap jumped dramatically doesn't mean mathematical correlations have changed. At the base of the problem here is that Portland will very likely be paying Dame-CJ-Turner 70 million a year. Forget about that being close to 70% of the cap, the more important ratio is that it will be 57-60% of the room between 0 and the tax threshold. Those guys will be Portland's 'big-3' and I just don't think the rest of the league will be scared of that big-3

I don't know if Olshey will match Crabbe's offer or not. I can't come up with any logical reason why he should but we know logic might not control this decision

I know it's Paul Allen's money. If he's ok paying gagillions in luxury tax, then oh well.

I think another potential problem, and it could be huge, is if there's a lockout or a strike next July 1. If/when that's resolved it's very likely the luxury tax will be even more punitive then it is now. So teams carrying a high payroll may be in even deeper doodoo. There will probably be some kind of amnesty provision but that's not certain

personally, I think people know where I stand on this: don't match Crabbe's deal and let Meyers walk. I'd even set a limit on how much to match a Harkless offer and it would probably be in the 14-15 million range."

 

Like I said, not expecting everyone to agree with me.

But to your point, he's a better shooter than Turner. Also one of the best wing defenders in the league. Defense being the second most important trait.

And yes I know Crabbe is an overrated defender NOW, but I'm extremely confident he will turn himself into a plus defender.

 

Anyone who thinks this is an easy decision is wrong.

There are positive and negative arguments to be made on both sides. I'm glad I'm not making the decision.

 

Matching at least gives us options.

Not matching means the game is over.

 

I think Olshey might have tipped the scales during the Turner introduction by saying that last season we didn't have anyone other than CJ, Dame and Mason who could handle or pass the ball well.....must have pissed Crabbe off bigtime

 

All I'm saying is in a vacuum Crabbe is more valuable. If you plan on not trading Crabbe they are basically being paid the same, so I'd rather have Crabbe.

 

Well it was true. And I thought it was a very telling moment during the press conference on the value the staff placed on filling that need. I know I was frustrated with it during the playoffs.

 

I like Crabbe but between Turner and Crabbe...Turner all day long..he can finish in the paint and create his own midrange shot...will be the best alley oop passer on the team which we haven't really had since Dre

 

Just like Batum did with Rolo and Aldridge....Turner will make our bigs better. Turner is actually a replacement for Batum in many ways

 

Different type of player. Crabbe is a straight up 3&D guy, and Turner is more of a versatile guy who can do anything.

 

Here's the thing. We cannot take the jump to a title contender in free agency, and most likely not draft for at least 3-4 years. The only way to make the jump is to make a trade. And to get value, you need assets, like Crabbe. We need to keep all of our assets, pretty convinced now.

 

Ding ding ding!

 

Problem with that analysis is IMO Crabbe at 18 mil per and a trade kicker is a CRAPPY asset

 

Fine, then trade the other assets, and keep Crabbe

 

For a starting shooting guard, that's a reasonable contract. If fucking Bazemore is getting that kind of money, I think Crabbe is reasonable. There simply aren't that many 3&D shooting guards available.

 

More like a 3 guy.

 

WHO? we just signed another guard for 17.5 mil, Lillard gets patd 26 mil next yr, CJ likely 23-25 mil so you want a half ass decent guard at 18 mil - NO friggin way

 

exactly, I don't why some think Crabbe is a good defender, advanced stats say the opposite and I don't think he is close to being an "average starter" and we already have a starter in CJ

 

and maybe Pat C or Montero can fill Crabbes role which was likely to be diminished anyway with the addition of Turner at a fraction (and I mean fraction) of the cost