Status Quo...

[Gronk Brady]

As we go into the later part of free agency, it appears that the Blazers have decided to bring back essentially the same roster next season. The TPE that Neil touted so much will expire soon... and will most likely go unused. Also, it appears like no major trades will be made due to Neil’s unwillingness to offer anything of value. So we essentially have status quo... no one held accountable for last seasons epic failure... all the blame placed on Ed Davis, Shabazz Napier, and Pat Connoughton... and as a solution to take this team to the next level, Neil signs a guy that missed all of last season with a major injury, and another guy who couldn’t even stand out for the Nets. How does Neil expect this team to improve? Does he really think we got swept in the playoffs again because of end of the bench guys? And while other teams in the west improved and get healthier, Blazers stay the same again... There is a very good chance this is not a playoff team next season... 7/8th seed at best. Blazers fans deserve better... we need a GM like Toronto’s that can admit things aren’t working and change direction. Neil either has too big of an ego or is just scared to shake things up... either way, it will lead to eternal mediocrity.

 

[Schilly]

I think a couple teams got better but most stayed the same or got worse.

 

[RR7]

There's like 17 threads on the front page that this comment would have fit in.

 

[SwissBlazer]

As we go into the later part of free agency, it appears that the Blazers have decided to bring back essentially the same roster next season. The TPE that Neil touted so much will expire soon... and will most likely go unused. Also, it appears like no major trades will be made due to Neil’s unwillingness to offer anything of value. So we essentially have status quo... no one held accountable for last seasons epic failure... all the blame placed on Ed Davis, Shabazz Napier, and Pat Connoughton... and as a solution to take this team to the next level, Neil signs a guy that missed all of last season with a major injury, and another guy who couldn’t even stand out for the Nets. How does Neil expect this team to improve? Does he really think we got swept in the playoffs again because of end of the bench guys? And while other teams in the west improved and get healthier, Blazers stay the same again... There is a very good chance this is not a playoff team next season... 7/8th seed at best. Blazers fans deserve better... we need a GM like Toronto’s that can admit things aren’t working and change direction. Neil either has to big of an ego or is just scared to shake things up... either way, it will lead to eternal mediocrity.

We needed this thread.

 

[hoopsjock]

As we go into the later part of free agency, it appears that the Blazers have decided to bring back essentially the same roster next season. The TPE that Neil touted so much will expire soon... and will most likely go unused. Also, it appears like no major trades will be made due to Neil’s unwillingness to offer anything of value. So we essentially have status quo... no one held accountable for last seasons epic failure... all the blame placed on Ed Davis, Shabazz Napier, and Pat Connoughton... and as a solution to take this team to the next level, Neil signs a guy that missed all of last season with a major injury, and another guy who couldn’t even stand out for the Nets. How does Neil expect this team to improve? Does he really think we got swept in the playoffs again because of end of the bench guys? And while other teams in the west improved and get healthier, Blazers stay the same again... There is a very good chance this is not a playoff team next season... 7/8th seed at best. Blazers fans deserve better... we need a GM like Toronto’s that can admit things aren’t working and change direction. Neil either has too big of an ego or is just scared to shake things up... either way, it will lead to eternal mediocrity.

Really Gronk? You needed to start another thread to post the same thing you've posted in every other thread?

 

[Gronk Brady]

Really Gronk? You needed to start another thread to post the same thing you've posted in every other thread?

Yes, because nothing has changed... Neil has done absolutely NOTHING! Everything is being swept under the rug and no one has been held accountable for last season epic failure. And seeing all the moves Toronto has made is a reminder that Neil has done NOTHING!

 

[THE HCP]

There's like 17 threads on the front page that this comment would have fit in.

SIGH

 

[THE HCP]

Yes, because nothing has changed... Neil has done absolutely NOTHING! Everything is being swept under the rug and no one has been held accountable for last season epic failure. And seeing all the moves Toronto has made is a reminder that Neil has done NOTHING!

Will somebody please do something about this bullshit?Please merge all his crap into one trash can so it doesn’t flood the main page. Seriously.

 

[BonesJones]

Yes, because nothing has changed... Neil has done absolutely NOTHING! Everything is being swept under the rug and no one has been held accountable for last season epic failure. And seeing all the moves Toronto has made is a reminder that Neil has done NOTHING!

Okay, so everyday Neil does nothing, we should make a thread to point it out. The only days we shouldn't have a thread creating about Neil doing nothing is when he drafts someone, signs someone, or trades someone.

 

[BonesJones]

And seeing all the moves Toronto has made is a reminder that Neil has done NOTHING!

Toronto lied to and threw away it's first loyal, franchise player (a guy who represented the town and city very well and did a ton for the community) for a one year rental of a player who doesn't want to be there.

That's not a move that should be praised.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yes, because nothing has changed... Neil has done absolutely NOTHING! Everything is being swept under the rug and no one has been held accountable for last season epic failure. And seeing all the moves Toronto has made is a reminder that Neil has done NOTHING!

All the moves?

 

[JoshuaHall]

As we go into the later part of free agency, it appears that the Blazers have decided to bring back essentially the same roster next season. The TPE that Neil touted so much will expire soon... and will most likely go unused. Also, it appears like no major trades will be made due to Neil’s unwillingness to offer anything of value. So we essentially have status quo... no one held accountable for last seasons epic failure... all the blame placed on Ed Davis, Shabazz Napier, and Pat Connoughton... and as a solution to take this team to the next level, Neil signs a guy that missed all of last season with a major injury, and another guy who couldn’t even stand out for the Nets. How does Neil expect this team to improve? Does he really think we got swept in the playoffs again because of end of the bench guys? And while other teams in the west improved and get healthier, Blazers stay the same again... There is a very good chance this is not a playoff team next season... 7/8th seed at best. Blazers fans deserve better... we need a GM like Toronto’s that can admit things aren’t working and change direction. Neil either has too big of an ego or is just scared to shake things up... either way, it will lead to eternal mediocrity.

If he would’ve traded for Kawhi, he would’ve “traded for a guy” who missed all of last season with an injury

 

[Gronk Brady]

All the moves?

Fired their coach, traded a star player... and Toronto was better than Portland but realized they had peaked. Neil decides to bring back exact same starters and coach and expects different results

 

[BonesJones]

All the moves?

Exactly... One move lol. They didn't even draft anyone, nor sign anyone. We've made more moves than them.

 

[JoshuaHall]

Toronto lied to and threw away it's first loyal, franchise player (a guy who represented the town and city very well and did a ton for the community) for a one year rental of a player who doesn't want to be there.

That's not a move that should be praised.

Not to mention DeRozan was Toronto’s Lillard.

So Gronk,

Would you do Lillard for DeRozan? Or Lillard for Kawhi?

If not, then there isn’t much to talk about.

 

[CupWizier]

Yes, because nothing has changed... Neil has done absolutely NOTHING! Everything is being swept under the rug and no one has been held accountable for last season epic failure. And seeing all the moves Toronto has made is a reminder that Neil has done NOTHING!

THEN GET THE FUCKING MESSAGE. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE YOU POST THE SAME THING EVERYDAY.

GET A CLUE. GOT IT?

 

[Reep]

The fact that Kawhi was traded for minimal value indicates that teams where unwilling to offer more because of his health or his inevitable move to LA. I wouldn't want to pay much value if either one of those were realistic issues. GMs have access to much more information than we do.

 

[BonesJones]

The fact that Kawhi was traded for minimal value indicates that teams where unwilling to offer more because of his health or his inevitable move to LA. I wouldn't want to pay much value if either one of those were realistic issues. GMs have access to much more information than we do.

Minimal?

He got traded for a top 15-20 player, a high-level prospect, and a pick.

 

[Propagandist]

The fact that Kawhi was traded for minimal value indicates that teams where unwilling to offer more because of his health or his inevitable move to LA. I wouldn't want to pay much value if either one of those were realistic issues. GMs have access to much more information than we do.

I disagree with the minimal value assessment. They got more than I anticipated considering Kawhi's behavior. Hell, I thought CJ, Collins, and a pick just might get it done, and they got more than that.

 

[hoopsjock]

Fired their coach, traded a star player... and Toronto was better than Portland but realized they had peaked. Neil decides to bring back exact same starters and coach and expects different results

Whoa, so many moves. ALL. 2. OF. THEM.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Are you Neil apologists seriously ok with bringing back the exact same starters next season? Are you ok with another offseason going by with no major trades by Neil? After last seasons epic failure, unable to win even 1 playoff game. Unbelievable how many years in a row this guy can use the same excuse for not making trades.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Whoa, so many moves. ALL. 2. OF. THEM.

Those are pretty major deals...

 

[hoopsjock]

As we go into the later part of free agency, it appears that the Blazers have decided to bring back essentially the same roster next season. The TPE that Neil touted so much will expire soon... and will most likely go unused. Also, it appears like no major trades will be made due to Neil’s unwillingness to offer anything of value. So we essentially have status quo... no one held accountable for last seasons epic failure... all the blame placed on Ed Davis, Shabazz Napier, and Pat Connoughton... and as a solution to take this team to the next level, Neil signs a guy that missed all of last season with a major injury, and another guy who couldn’t even stand out for the Nets. How does Neil expect this team to improve? Does he really think we got swept in the playoffs again because of end of the bench guys? And while other teams in the west improved and get healthier, Blazers stay the same again... There is a very good chance this is not a playoff team next season... 7/8th seed at best. Blazers fans deserve better... we need a GM like Toronto’s that can admit things aren’t working and change direction. Neil either has too big of an ego or is just scared to shake things up... either way, it will lead to eternal mediocrity.

Let me ask you a question...

How do you know that Olshey didn't talk to his agent and his agent said he wouldn't show up to play for Portland? It's looking like he's not going to show up for Toronto, maybe they are the only ones dumb enough to still do it.

 

[JoshuaHall]

I disagree with the minimal value assessment. They got more than I anticipated considering Kawhi's behavior. Hell, I thought CJ, Collins, and a pick just might get it done, and they got more than that.

Color me skeptical but CJ, Collins, and our pick is probably a better deal than what the Raptors offered. Raptors likely to win more games than us, making the pick likely to turn into two seconds.

Hell, CJ and DeRozan are VERY similar... it’s almost a wash... especially considering CJ is a significantly better shooter. I’d take Collins 10/10 over Poetl, as well.

 

[Rhal]

Let me ask you a question...

How do you know that Olshey didn't talk to his agent and his agent said he wouldn't show up to play for Portland? It's looking like he's not going to show up for Toronto, maybe they are the only ones dumb enough to still do it.

Gronk just assumes because we aren't in every rumor that NO isnt' doing anything, and when we are in a Rumor its just because WoJ is throwing NO a bone. Its very obvious that Gronk has no idea how trades actually work in the NBA, hint if we are hearing about it it is because a member of one of the two teams or a players agent wants us to hear about it, and just wants to post the same thing over and over and over again to vent his frustration.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Let me ask you a question...

How do you know that Olshey didn't talk to his agent and his agent said he wouldn't show up to play for Portland? It's looking like he's not going to show up for Toronto, maybe they are the only ones dumb enough to still do it.

This thread is not about Kawhi, it’s about Neil’s overall inactivity and another offseason going by with no change... I would settle for any starter being traded or a new coach at this point... just can’t believe we are looking at EXACT same starters and coach after last seasons failure

 

[Scalma]

OP is kind of annoying, and by kind of I mean really, especially for starting another thread, but there’s some truth to what he’s saying.

The problem I have is we’re blaming the wrong guy. Every move in the past year, year and a half has been financial. Those moves are coming from the top. We’re still paying for 2016.

It’s probably more likely that we try and get under the tax ASAP than make a trade to significantly upgrade the roster. Who’s next to get sacrificed for the absolute disaster contracts Neil handed out? Aminu?

But my main question; why hasn’t Paul fired Olshey yet? Why was he given an EXTENSION if were still paying for the summer of 16? I’m ok with his drafts but the time it’ll take to develop the Collins and the Simons will come at the cost of Lillards prime.

I’m just fed up.

 

[Rhal]

Also that TPE will cost PA 3x the salary of the player we get back, I know its not fun to have to look at the money when it comes to roster but that is a part. We aren't using the TPE to bring in someone who is only okay at the price they are paid, aka courtney lee, that will only marginally help the team. I was hoping the TPE woudl be used as part of a bigger deal but it will go to waste most likely, I am not okay with that at all but I understand the reasoning behind it.

 

[BonesJones]

Are you Neil apologists seriously ok with bringing back the exact same starters next season? Are you ok with another offseason going by with no major trades by Neil? After last seasons epic failure, unable to win even 1 playoff game. Unbelievable how many years in a row this guy can use the same excuse for not making trades.

I'm not a Neil apologist, I just think it's ridiculous to start a thread about something that you post multiple times a day, just to point out something that's obvious to everybody and has been discussed ad naseum across many other threads.

 

[Schilly]

What if I'm not an apologist, what if I actually look at the situation as a realist and understand why Neil makes the moves he does... before he opens his mouth to explain himself.

Utah's big addition this year was Grayson Allen that's kind of a Status Quo move.

Imo
Stauskus > the baseball player who doesnt belong in the NBA
Curry > Napier
Simons and Trent look like solid solid Terry Stotts players.
Nirkic was brought back on a reasonable contract. People can say we bid against ourselves but there is some good faith involved in negotiating with your own players if you only let them get offers you end up with Crabbe offers.

On Kawhi I wouldn't send any of our key rotation guys for him either, dude just sat out a season to pout and is a 1 year rental, why would you give up a core piece from the 2nd youngest team in the NBA for that? Yeah maybe you stay as the 3 seed this year then you fall when he leaves.

So if all you want to see is negatives that's your right but actually being objective doesnt make you an apologist.