"The West got tougher so the Blazers will lose more" is a terrible argument.

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Last year, the Portland Trail Blazers finished with a measly 29-23 record against the Western Conference. It's safe to say that the Blazers underachieved vs. Western Conference teams, at least in the regular season. That is evident by their combined 1-7 record vs. the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Denver Nuggets, the two teams that Portland beat in 7-game series in the post-season (Without Jusuf Nurkic, of course.

The Lakers and Clippers are used as examples of "tougher" Western Conference teams that Portland will have trouble against. However, Portland lucked out and only play each team 3 times instead of 4. When you look at the schedule, Portland also has favorable circumstances when facing both teams. For the Lakers, the play them twice at home. Combined with their possibility of injury and load management, it won't be hard for Portland to go 1-2 or even 2-1 against the team that they went 2-2 against last year. For the Clippers, Portland will face them in early November when they're likely to be missing Paul George, and on the last night of the regular season, when there's a high probability that the Clips will be resting players.

However, when you look elsewhere across the Western Conference, I don't see how anyone could logically say that Portland will have a worse record than they did last season. Portland was 24-20 against the other 12 teams in the conference, and for a team as talented as Portland, that's a mark that shouldn't be hard to surpass.

Let's break it down team by team:

- The Clippers got better. We were 3-1 against them last year. We'll play them once without PG and on the last night of the season (they might be resting). Prediction: 1-2 or 2-1

- The Jazz got better but aren't any better than us and they were 2-2 last year. That's what I'm expecting. Prediction: 2-2

- The Lakers got better but we were 2-2 against them last year. Now we only play them 3 times (twice in Portland), and combined with their injury and load-management possibilities, Prediction: 1-2 or 2-1

- The Rockets didn't improve much, if at all. Westbrook is more talented than Paul, but a worse fit. They didn't really make any other moves. We were 2-1 against them last year. Prediction: 2-2

- The Nuggets probably improved because of their youth, but we were 1-3 against them last year. Can't see it getting any worse... Prediction: 1-3 or 2-2

- The Thunder got much worse, and we were 0-4 against them as well. Prediction: 3-1 or 4-0

- Dallas is (hypothetically) better, but not better than us. We went 2-2 verse them. If anything, we gain a game. Prediction: 2-2 or 3-1

- Golden State got worse, we split 2-2 with them. I don't expect to be worse considering we play them 3 times without Klay. Prediction: 2-2

- San Antonio didn't get any better. We split 2-2 with them. I don't expect anything worse. Prediction: 2-2

- Sacremento got better because of youth, but we were 2-1 against them last season. Prediction: 2-2 or 3-1

- New Orleans did improve a bit, and we were 3-0 against them. We're still the better team though. Prediction 2-2 or 3-1

- Hard to say Minnesota got better. We were 3-1 against them last year. I see a repeat. Prediction 3-1

- The Grizzlies and Suns aren't good. We might lose a game or two though. We play them a total of 7 times. Prediction 5-2 to 7-0

Last years record vs. Western Conference: 29-23

My 2019-2020 prediction vs. Western Conference: 28-24 to 37-15

So playing it on the safe side, I only see Portland declining a game or so against the Western Conference. Of course, Portland could lose ground against the East, as they went 24-6 against the Eastern Conference last year, but the "West has gotten better", so therefore, the East has to have gotten worse...

So I'm tired of hearing the uneducated argument that Portland will win 8 or 10 less games because of "how much tougher the West has gotten". That's an argument that's used every year by those who sleep on the team (every single year). It seems to me that people have forgotten how much we underachieved last year against the Western Conference. To only win the widely-predicted 45 games, Portland would have to have a .500 record against the Western Conference and lose 5 more games against the implied "weaker Eastern Conference". I don't see either of those things happening.

To me, this argument isn't logical in the slightest.
 
I just think Hood and Bazemore will be more consistently productive overall than AFA & Harkless.
With Collins, Whiteside and Pau holding things down for Nurk, and hopefully the 3rd year leap for Zman the team should be in the thick of it.
If Anfernee takes off we will be fun to watch.
 
Nice breakdown. What is your projected wins for the entire season? I'm assuming you are well over the number Vegas has set.
 
Solid points all around.

It feels like this roster is ready to pop a bunch of big games. Lots of possible candidates to improve their game.

I hope they all improve. But my secret wish is for CJ to improve his efficiency.
 
Haven't even seen any of these teams play yet...including ours...I'd say our bench will need to be a huge X factor this season. I believe our starters can hold their own against the contenders...it's the bench that will give you some separation in the standings..Denver and Utah have great benches..the Bucks have a great bench.
 
Haven't even seen any of these teams play yet...including ours...I'd say our bench will need to be a huge X factor this season. I believe our starters can hold their own against the contenders...it's the bench that will give you some separation in the standings..Denver and Utah have great benches..the Bucks have a great bench.
Im not sure what to make of the Blazers this year, its almost an entirely new team... It seems to me they’re really banking on Simons and Zach being ready to play big roles for them.
 
Haven't even seen any of these teams play yet...including ours...I'd say our bench will need to be a huge X factor this season. I believe our starters can hold their own against the contenders...it's the bench that will give you some separation in the standings..Denver and Utah have great benches..the Bucks have a great bench.
Do you not think we underachieved against the West last year?

Am I being too positive for Riverman?!

:minismile:
 
Do you not think we underachieved against the West last year?

Am I being too positive for Riverman?!

:minismile:
Im not River, but I thought they kind of over achieved vs the east. Seems like they won a lot of games over there and never really had one of those road trips that just sucked.
 
I can see the OP’s point. One way to look at this season is that best case cannot happen for all teams. Might as just root for the Blazers.
 
Haven't even seen any of these teams play yet...including ours...I'd say our bench will need to be a huge X factor this season. I believe our starters can hold their own against the contenders...it's the bench that will give you some separation in the standings..Denver and Utah have great benches..the Bucks have a great bench.
Also, I disagree mightily on Utah's bench. I wouldnt say its great.

Dante Exum
Emmanuel Mudiay
Royce O'Neale
Jeff Green
Ed Davis

Meh.

Denver's bench is great defensively, but the offensr of that unit is lacking IMO.

Monte Morris
Malik Beasley
Torrey Craig
Jerami Grant
Mason Plumlee
 
Im not River, but I thought they kind of over achieved vs the east. Seems like they won a lot of games over there and never really had one of those road trips that just sucked.
But if the West got "so much better", then the East had to get "so much worse". Thats what these 45-win projections are based on. So based off their logic, I dont see how they could expect a decline against Eastern Conference teams. Im arguing the logic of these low-ball predictions.
 
But if the West got "so much better", then the East had to get "so much worse". Thats what these 45-win projections are based on. So based off their logic, I dont see how they could expect a decline against Eastern Conference teams. Im arguing the logic of these low-ball predictions.
I understand that, I wasn't necessarily arguing the same point, just saying why I am cautiously optimistic for the season.

I did point I thought they probably over achieved a bit vs the east (probably just a game or two though).
 
Nurkic vs Whiteside - How big is the downgrade offensively?

How effective is Collins + Whiteside?

Defending big wings / stretch 4's? Collins took a step back here last year. Hood is just ok on D and Bazemore is more of a 1/2 defender.

What are we going to get from Simons?

These questions / issues will have more of an affect on our record than anything else.

I do like our top 9 right now though and think this roster has good upside if things go right.
 
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If we had had both Nurk and Kantor in the rotation all through the playoffs and end of the regular season we would have done more damage...losing Nurk last year weakened our bench chemistry and changed our starters roster.
 
Haven't even seen any of these teams play yet...including ours...I'd say our bench will need to be a huge X factor this season. I believe our starters can hold their own against the contenders...it's the bench that will give you some separation in the standings..Denver and Utah have great benches..the Bucks have a great bench.

Utah's bench isnt that great
 
Also, I disagree mightily on Utah's bench. I wouldnt say its great.

Dante Exum
Emmanuel Mudiay
Royce O'Neale
Jeff Green
Ed Davis

Meh.

Denver's bench is great defensively, but the offensr of that unit is lacking IMO.

Monte Morris
Malik Beasley
Torrey Craig
Jerami Grant
Mason Plumlee

Craig is a starter. You think they are going to start Porter Jr?
 
Will Barton

Oh. Craig should be the starter over Barton. Barton lost his spot in the playoffs. He'll probably get it back though.
 
So I'm tired of hearing the uneducated argument that Portland will win 8 or 10 less games because of "how much tougher the West has gotten".

has anybody really made that argument? I haven't seen it although I don't read every post in every thread. If the argument has been made it can't be by more than 1 or 2 people. Has anybody said 43 wins?...or even 45? ("8 to 10")

I'd say these teams will be better:

LAC - LAL - Utah - Denver....Sac - NOP- Dallas - Mem

these teams will be worse - OKC (but maybe better than expected) - GSW (the epitaphs have been premature - they still might be very good) - Suns (the clown car at the end of the train)

these teams will be about the same, but could slide up or down quite a bit:

Portland - Houston - Spurs - Minny

I expect the Blazers, like in the previous 4 seasons, to put together a long hot streak in the 2nd half of the season. The key will be the start they have over the first 28 games...that's a brutal schedule. The last time the Blazers had roster turnover like this summer (2015-16), they started the season 11-20. If they repeat that they'd have to go 39-12 just to hit the 50 game plateau. That's just not realistic.
 
It will be interesting to see how the season starts for them. No Nurk and lots of new faces could make it difficult. The key will be to peak going into the playoffs.
 
Right now everything it up in the air. The season will come down to injuries for teams.
 
I like Ed Davis and what he brings to that unit...offensive rebounds...they haven't played with Big Ed yet but Gobert and Big Ed are a great tag team

I think Ed is starting at PF with Favors gone.
 
Oh thatd be a stupid move for them. I like Ed dont get me wrong but him and Gobert should not play together much, the spacing will be terrible, and athletic 4’s would wreck them.

Who will start ar the 4...Green? Eh
 

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