Politics Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he's now for impeaching Trump

[SlyPokerDog]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/kasich-calls-for-trump-impeachment/index.html

 

[MarAzul]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/kasich-calls-for-trump-impeachment/index.html

Imagine that!!!
It's the only way he is going to get a shot at running for President.
Impeaching Trump would be a gift from heaven for the dude.

 

[calvin natt]

One of the few clear thinking Republicans left. breath of fresh air.

 

[MarAzul]

One of the few clear thinking Republicans left. breathe of fresh air.

If that Rino were my only Rep choice, I would switch so I could vote for Tulsi.

 

[calvin natt]

If that Rino were my only Rep choice, I would switch so I could vote for Tulsi.

Of course you would. She LOVES her some Russia and Syria.

 

[ABM]

Imagine that!!!
It's the only way he is going to get a shot at running for President.
Impeaching Trump would be a gift from heaven for the dude.

 

[ABM]

Kasich preserves my primary position (right of the unborn), while also being incredibly fiscally responsible and overall sound. He be a very good Prez.

 

[barfo]

Kasich preserves my primary position (right of the unborn), while also being incredibly fiscally responsible and overall sound. He be a very good Prez.

He'd be awful. Still wondering why you even have a 'primary position', and why it's that one instead of any of the infinite number of other things you could choose to be monomaniacal about.

barfo

 

[ABM]

He'd be awful. Still wondering why you even have a 'primary position', and why it's that one instead of any of the infinite number of other things you could choose to be monomaniacal about.

barfo

He'd be fine. "Monomanaiacal" - fun Scrabble word.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...uld_run_as_an_independent_in_2020_136965.html

 

[ABM]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...washington-make-difference-column/3846622002/

I ran for president twice then realized we the people can move our country forward: Kasich
John Kasich, Opinion contributor Published 6:00 a.m. ET Oct. 8, 2019 | Updated 7:53 a.m. ET Oct. 8, 2019

Americans are not powerless in the grand scheme of our democracy. Individuals pushing for change have had enormous impact over the past 250 years.

When I ran for president in 2016, I believed I could make a difference and set a positive example, but as I stepped away from the race I started to realize what I must have known on some level all along: Even though it matters who sits in the White House, it doesn’t matter as much as we matter. The power of the presidency should not obscure or discount the power of the people.

Each of us has the ability to make as much of an impact in our communities as the president is able to make on a national or international scale. As a nation of caring, thinking, feeling people, we are not powerless in the grand scheme of our democracy; in fact, we can be profoundly powerful, in small ways that can have an enormous impact on the lives all around us.

All of which takes me to the central thesis of my new book: What you do matters. What we do matters. We are blessed with the ability to make a difference, to send a message to the powerful elites in Washington, to put it out there that the change we want to see is the change we’re prepared to make happen.

Presidents don't shape your daily life
Think about some of the great changes that have taken place in this country over the past 250 years. Think about some of the ways we’ve moved the needle on progress and tolerance and opportunity. Most of the time, these changes have come about at the ground level. Societal change flows from the bottom up, and not from the top down, and it’s almost always driven by the passion and purpose of selfless individuals who push for a way to make these changes happen — they demand them, really, and it doesn’t matter who’s sitting in office when the voices of the people have something to say.

Think about this, too: On a day-to-day basis, does the president truly affect you? Here again, not as much as most people think. Absolutely, the president can make a kind of statement about who we are on the world stage; for good or ill, he or she becomes the public face of our great nation. But I’ll tell you what really affects you: your family, your neighbors, your community, the road that needs repaving on the way into town, or the new turf field the booster club is hoping to lay in over at the high school so your student-athletes can practice in all kinds of weather.

What matters is how we do right by each other, how we collaborate with our coworkers, how we show kindness to those in need and how we receive kindness in return. It matters how we make room in our lives for faith and family and friendships. I want to spend some time on these things in the pages ahead because I believe they are important. In fact, I believe they are all-important.

 

[ABM]

Even if Trump doesn't get fully impeached/displaced, he's dropped about 8 rungs on the proverbial ladder. This may very well be the chance for Kasich to take the reins again. I really hope he does. While being Conservative, I think he can also speak to the Moderates and Independents.

This is going to be very, very interesting rest of the year heading into 2020.

 

[calvin natt]

Even if Trump doesn't get fully impeached/displaced, he's dropped about 8 rungs on the proverbial ladder. This may very well be the chance for Kasich to take the reins again. I really hope he does. While being Conservative, I think he can also speak to the Moderates and Independents.

This is going to be very, very interesting rest of the year heading into 2020.

I wish. I don’t see Republicans having the courage or backbone to denounce Trump. Much like some people in here. If he hasn’t lost his base by now he isn’t going to lose it.

 

[Hoopguru]

He'd be awful. Still wondering why you even have a 'primary position', and why it's that one instead of any of the infinite number of other things you could choose to be monomaniacal about.

barfo

Abortion is a personal choice imo, and it's ok to have your choice one way or another. It's the same with anyone values and beliefs, its theirs. Now if their mission statement is to hatefully go after those that have different views on things, imo that's taboo. Whatever happened to the concept of being open minded and respectful if you oppose something?
If parents in a blue state teach their kids to kick somebody ass if they are for the second amendment and if parents in red states teach their kids to kick ass if someone is pro choice, we may as well establish two separate countries, have an outright civil war, moved to a State that parallels your politic, or learn to give and take, be civil and respectful again, and most importantly work together again.

 

[MarAzul]

Abortion is a personal choice imo, and it's ok to have your choice one way or another. It's the same with anyone values and beliefs, its theirs. Now if their mission statement is to hatefully go after those that have different views on things, imo that's taboo. Whatever happened to the concept of being open minded and respectful if you oppose something?
If parents in a blue state teach their kids to kick somebody ass if they are for the second amendment and if parents in red states teach their kids to kick ass if someone is pro choice, we may as well establish two separate countries, have an outright civil war, moved to a Sate that parallels your politic, or learn to give and take, be civil and respectful again, and most importantly work together again.

I think you advocate vote with your feet as a reasonable choice.
I also think that is why we have the electoral college. Election for President is a State by State thing, as intended, as it should be.
Otherwise civil war might be the only alternative.
Damn! Those old dudes got this right strait out the gate. Impressive!

 

[barfo]

Abortion is a personal choice imo, and it's ok to have your choice one way or another. It's the same with anyone values and beliefs, its theirs.

Absolutely.

ABM is on the record as saying that he's a single issue voter on abortion. I was questioning what motivates someone to be a single-issue voter, and why the choice of that particular topic as the single issue. His opinion on abortion aside from that is of little interest to me.

barfo

 

[ABM]

Absolutely.

ABM is on the record as saying that he's a single issue voter on abortion. I was questioning what motivates someone to be a single-issue voter, and why the choice of that particular topic as the single issue. His opinion on abortion aside from that is of little interest to me.

barfo

As an example, I suppose there are those out there with feelings on, say, immigration that far outweigh any other issue and will only vote for the candidate(s) that supports them in that single-issue position. Right to life is one those types of issues for me. There's not one Democrat that agrees with me in that position. There are many Republicans that do.

This all said, I've related many times in here that I would have preferred Kasich over Trump. I've also said, if Kasich were to give Trump a strong challenge in 2020, he'd have my vote then, as well. The probability of that happening, though, would only be through the impeachment/removal of Trump.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Absolutely.

ABM is on the record as saying that he's a single issue voter on abortion. I was questioning what motivates someone to be a single-issue voter, and why the choice of that particular topic as the single issue. His opinion on abortion aside from that is of little interest to me.

barfo

This seems like such a silly question... What motivates someone to be “this or that”, life experiences, genetics, the same subjective stuff that makes you care about multiple issues, or makes you determine what issues are more or less important to you...

Theres at least a half dozen people in here who have been turned into single issue voters, “Its not Trump”, you aren’t trying to psychoanalyze them and cleverly hide behind condescending questions as to their motivations, because you agree with their feelings on Trump. If ABM said, “All I care about is getting rid of Trump”, you wouldnt ask why, and say wow what motivates you to be a single issue voter! You’d say oh I hate Trump too so Im good with that. You have to know his “motivations” or anyone’s motivations for that stuff boils down to the same stuff.

 

[CupWizier]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/kasich-calls-for-trump-impeachment/index.html

Good for him. The numbers continue to grow.

 

[CupWizier]

This seems like such a silly question... What motivates someone to be “this or that”, life experiences, genetics, the same subjective stuff that makes you care about multiple issues, or makes you determine what issues are more or less important to you...

Theres at least a half dozen people in here who have been turned into single issue voters, “Its not Trump”, you aren’t trying to psychoanalyze them and cleverly hide behind condescending questions as to their motivations, because you agree with their feelings on Trump. If ABM said, “All I care about is getting rid of Trump”, you wouldnt ask why, and say wow what motivates you to be a single issue voter! You’d say oh I hate Trump too so Im good with that. You have to know his “motivations” or anyone’s motivations for that stuff boils down to the same stuff.

I have never understood single issue voters as there is so much that goes into running a country that one issue shouldn't be a deciding factor. I can see if someone felt that two people were fairly equal and the single issue might push them one way over the other but to disregard everything else just for one issue doesn't make much sense to me. The president has limited ability to even address the single issue that a voter might even be for and then you have to take on the total baggage that person brings.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I have never understood single issue voters as there is so much that goes into running a country that one issue shouldn't be a deciding factor. I can see if someone felt that two people were fairly equal and the single issue might push them one way over the other but to disregard everything else just for one issue doesn't make much sense to me. The president has limited ability to even address the single issue that a voter might even be for and then you have to take on the total baggage that person brings.

But when it comes to it you will vote for the Dem in this next election (assuming Trumps not impeached) whether you like them or not because its not Trump right? I mean at the end of the day what motivates us to vote a certain way is basically the same things. We vote on our feelings, and our genetics and our experiences, if someone feels that strongly about a “single” issue, its because of a combination of one of those things. So to me, I dont see how its all that confusing, Im the same way while I may not feel that strongly about a single issue, my motivations are the same as everyone else’s and thats what were questioning here is what motivates ABM on his abortion stance, when seriously I dont think the motivation and what it boils down to is all that different then anyone else’s, we just all have different genetics, feelings, experiences, so we have different “issues” that are a big deal to us.

 

[CupWizier]

But when it comes to it you will vote for the Dem in this next election (assuming Trumps not impeached) whether you like them or not because its not Trump right? I mean at the end of the day what motivates us to vote a certain way is basically the same things. We vote on our feelings, and our genetics and our experiences, if someone feels that strongly about a “single” issue, its because of a combination of one of those things. So to me, I dont see how its all that confusing, Im the same way while I may not feel that strongly about a single issue, my motivations are the same as everyone else’s and thats what were questioning here is what motivates ABM on his abortion stance, when seriously I dont think the motivation and what it boils down to is all that different then anyone else’s, we just all have different genetics, feelings, experiences, so we have different “issues” that are a big deal to us.

I am not a democrat as I registered independent and have always voted for those I felt can do the better job regardless of party affiliation. I will not vote for trump as his values are not aligned with mine at all but would consider any candidate whether democrat or republican. I will never vote a 3rd party unless they can demonstrate they have enough of a following to make it a race otherwise it is a wasted vote and might as well not even vote.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I am not a democrat as I registered independent and have always voted for those I felt can do the better job regardless of party affiliation. I will not vote for trump as his values are not aligned with mine at all but would consider any candidate whether democrat or republican. I will never vote a 3rd party unless they can demonstrate they have enough of a following to make it a race otherwise it is a wasted vote and might as well not even vote.

Im not saying you’re a democrat, Im saying your reasoning in this election will be, “It’s not Trump”. That will be the the same for many, and the motivation for that is because of your life experiences, your genetics, and your feelings on Trump. Which is not really that much different at its core then when a “single issue” voter says this thing is so important to me that I vote for whoever I think aligns with me on that issue.

 

[CupWizier]

Im not saying you’re a democrat, Im saying your reasoning in this election will be, “It’s not Trump”. That will be the the same for many, and the motivation for that is because of your life experiences, your genetics, and your feelings on Trump. Which is not really that much different at its core then when a “single issue” voter says this thing is so important to me that I vote for whoever I think aligns with me on that issue.

If it was one single issue that has made me not ever want trump then I would agree that it might be comparable to a single issue voter, but their are a multitude of issues in my book and much of it is how he represents our country. There is not one issue that would ever make me want trump as our president. That's the difference between a single cause voter and myself. He is so out of touch with the middle class and down and represents his base (and mainly himself) and the hell with anyone else.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If it was one single issue that has made me not ever want trump then I would agree that it might be comparable to a single issue voter, but their are a multitude of issues in my book and much of it is how he represents our country. There is not one issue that would ever make me want trump as our president. That's the difference between a single cause voter and myself. He is so out of touch with the middle class and down and represents his base (and mainly himself) and the hell with anyone else.

But what motivates your decisions is your feelings, genetics and life experiences right? Which is essentially what is motivating the cause of a "single-issue" voter. The single issue in this election for many people is essentially getting rid of Trump, because all of those come together for a person and makes certain things exceptionally important for them. Like I've read you say that what Trump represents scares you when it comes to your kids and grandkids and their growing up, that's feelings, and our life experiences make us think he's a crook. I'm just trying to point out that essentially what makes an "issue" super important to someone boils down to the same "group" of things for all of us, it's just that we all have our own perspective make up based on those things. It's not that I think there is anything wrong with someone voting because they want Trump out.

 

[CupWizier]

But what motivates your decisions is your feelings, genetics and life experiences right? Which is essentially what is motivating the cause of a "single-issue" voter. The single issue in this election for many people is essentially getting rid of Trump, because all of those come together for a person and makes certain things exceptionally important for them. Like I've read you say that what Trump represents scares you when it comes to your kids and grandkids and their growing up, that's feelings, and our life experiences make us think he's a crook. I'm just trying to point out that essentially what makes an "issue" super important to someone boils down to the same "group" of things for all of us, it's just that we all have our own perspective make up based on those things. It's not that I think there is anything wrong with someone voting because they want Trump out.

With one more point and I will use the pro life single issue (it could be one of many other issues) as an example. From my understanding someone like abm votes for anyone that is pro life regardless of any other policies or misgivings. Where as I look for compromises and give and take on the over all aspect of what a candidate stands for and is looking to offer, not just one thing. My main point for not using a single issue as a reason to vote for a candidate is that a president may not even be able to deliver on that single issue and then you have the rest you are stuck with. Maybe I'm not reading it right, but that's how I interpreted it as wanting trump out isn't a single issue. It's a multitude of issues that have been discussed many time already so I won't list them all. Anyway, it is what it is.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

With one more point and I will use the pro life single issue (it could be one of many other issues) as an example. From my understanding someone like abm votes for anyone that is pro life regardless of any other policies or misgivings. Where as I look for compromises and give and take on the over all aspect of what a candidate stands for and is looking to offer, not just one thing. My main point for not using a single issue as a reason to vote for a candidate is that a president may not even be able to deliver on that single issue and then you have the rest you are stuck with. Maybe I'm not reading it right, but that's how I interpreted it as wanting trump out isn't a single issue. It's a multitude of issues that have been discussed many time already so I won't list them all. Anyway, it is what it is.

I may not be articulating it well, but what I'm trying to get at is that what goes behind our values and what's important to us is pretty similar at the end of the day in terms of what those issues or "issue" is that is usually unique to the individual for why that one thing or multiple things is a big deal to them. It comes down to genetics, life experiences and feelings for you, just like it does to ABM, in ABM's case those things make up someone who votes for anti-abortion stuff because those things all come together to give him an issue he feels strongly about. Whereas with you or me those things come together to make up what is important to us, now it may not come down to a "single-issue" for us, but it's still a conglomeration of those things that dictate what issues we do or don't feel strongly about.

 

[riverman]

As an example, I suppose there are those out there with feelings on, say, immigration that far outweigh any other issue and will only vote for the candidate(s) that supports them in that single-issue position. Right to life is one those types of issues for me. There's not one Democrat that agrees with me in that position. There are many Republicans that do.

This all said, I've related many times in here that I would have preferred Kasich over Trump. I've also said, if Kasich were to give Trump a strong challenge in 2020, he'd have my vote then, as well. The probability of that happening, though, would only be through the impeachment/removal of Trump.

Personally I'm from the camp that believes in complete separation of church and state....I'm guessing you're not...fair enough but that's really what this issue comes down to as a legal issue. We have the death penalty also enacted with religious leadership...if our country is a true republic it must represent their beliefs as well as those of one's spiritual personal belief. The great thing is that you as a parent have the right to exercise your belief in the right to life..and women who are not attached to your morality concerning this have an equal right to exercise their right to terminate an early fertilization for whatever problems they associate with their personal condition. They answer for their own actions in the end if your beliefs are in fact true. I believe it's their right to make that choice as it is your right to make your choice...The church is simply not the Supreme Court for everyone

 

[barfo]

As an example, I suppose there are those out there with feelings on, say, immigration that far outweigh any other issue and will only vote for the candidate(s) that supports them in that single-issue position.

Right, that's what a single-issue voter is. I'm curious about what makes someone a single issue voter. How are you able to say 'nothing else matters as long as this one thing goes my way'?

Right to life is one those types of issues for me.

Yes, but why? Why that rather than, immigration or taxes or the environment or war or corruption or healthcare or any of the other thousand issues in the public square? Why is it that you are willing to sacrifice, if necessary, getting what you want on every other issue to get what you want on that one single issue?

barfo

 

[barfo]

This seems like such a silly question... What motivates someone to be “this or that”, life experiences, genetics, the same subjective stuff that makes you care about multiple issues, or makes you determine what issues are more or less important to you...

Of course. But why does that make it a 'silly question'? Are you saying there's nothing to learn from other people, they are just 'different'?

Theres at least a half dozen people in here who have been turned into single issue voters, “Its not Trump”, you aren’t trying to psychoanalyze them and cleverly hide behind condescending questions as to their motivations, because you agree with their feelings on Trump. If ABM said, “All I care about is getting rid of Trump”, you wouldnt ask why, and say wow what motivates you to be a single issue voter!

I don't agree that would be a single issue voter, Trump isn't an 'issue'. And for myself, if there was somehow a candidate worse than Trump, but still not Trump, I would not vote for that candidate. So I, at least, am not a "single-issue" voter on getting rid of Trump.

But more to the point, yes, I wouldn't need to ask why someone would vote against Trump. I don't need to ask about things I already (think I) understand.

You have to know his “motivations” or anyone’s motivations for that stuff boils down to the same stuff.

So let's stop talking about public policy because people just have thoughts and feelings because that's the way they are, and that's that! We shouldn't try to understand each other?

barfo

 

[Lanny]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...washington-make-difference-column/3846622002/

I ran for president twice then realized we the people can move our country forward: Kasich
John Kasich, Opinion contributor Published 6:00 a.m. ET Oct. 8, 2019 | Updated 7:53 a.m. ET Oct. 8, 2019

Americans are not powerless in the grand scheme of our democracy. Individuals pushing for change have had enormous impact over the past 250 years.

When I ran for president in 2016, I believed I could make a difference and set a positive example, but as I stepped away from the race I started to realize what I must have known on some level all along: Even though it matters who sits in the White House, it doesn’t matter as much as we matter. The power of the presidency should not obscure or discount the power of the people.

Each of us has the ability to make as much of an impact in our communities as the president is able to make on a national or international scale. As a nation of caring, thinking, feeling people, we are not powerless in the grand scheme of our democracy; in fact, we can be profoundly powerful, in small ways that can have an enormous impact on the lives all around us.

All of which takes me to the central thesis of my new book: What you do matters. What we do matters. We are blessed with the ability to make a difference, to send a message to the powerful elites in Washington, to put it out there that the change we want to see is the change we’re prepared to make happen.

Presidents don't shape your daily life
Think about some of the great changes that have taken place in this country over the past 250 years. Think about some of the ways we’ve moved the needle on progress and tolerance and opportunity. Most of the time, these changes have come about at the ground level. Societal change flows from the bottom up, and not from the top down, and it’s almost always driven by the passion and purpose of selfless individuals who push for a way to make these changes happen — they demand them, really, and it doesn’t matter who’s sitting in office when the voices of the people have something to say.

Think about this, too: On a day-to-day basis, does the president truly affect you? Here again, not as much as most people think. Absolutely, the president can make a kind of statement about who we are on the world stage; for good or ill, he or she becomes the public face of our great nation. But I’ll tell you what really affects you: your family, your neighbors, your community, the road that needs repaving on the way into town, or the new turf field the booster club is hoping to lay in over at the high school so your student-athletes can practice in all kinds of weather.

What matters is how we do right by each other, how we collaborate with our coworkers, how we show kindness to those in need and how we receive kindness in return. It matters how we make room in our lives for faith and family and friendships. I want to spend some time on these things in the pages ahead because I believe they are important. In fact, I believe they are all-important.

Presidents do influence our daily life. They preach good citizenship from the bully pulpit. Note how Trump's behavior has increased violence in this country which is another example of how a President can influence our behavior in our daily life.