Politics US Navy FIRES captain of coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt

[SlyPokerDog]

US Navy FIRES captain of coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt for 'extremely poor judgment' after his letter to superiors begging for help was leaked - and his commanders insist NONE of the infected sailors need hospitalization

• Acting US Navy Secretary Thomas Modly announced that Captain Brett Crozier is being relieved of his command of the USS Roosevelt on Thursday
• It comes four days after Crozier penned a letter to Navy leaders calling for the immediate evacuation of the aircraft carrier
• Modly said that the decision to relieve Crozier was driven by the fact that he shared the letter with at least 20 people before it was leaked in the media
• The secretary insisted that he was not accusing Crozier of leaking it himself
• However, US officials told Reuters that the Navy did believe he was responsible
• The USS Roosevelt was docked in Guam last week after 25 crew members tested positive for COVID-19
• At least 93 sailors on the nuclear aircraft carrier have since tested positive
• The Navy is in the process of evacuating 2,700 sailors from the ship

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-stricken-USS-Roosevelt-public-plea-help.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If his direct superiors weren't listening to his concerns he was right to leak the letter.

 

[crandc]

Doctors and nurses have been fired for talking about lack of PPE. Amazon fired a worker who led action by protesting unsafe conditions.

Seems shooting the messenger is how some people respond to pandemic.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

If his direct superiors weren't listening to his concerns he was right to leak the letter.

That's not how this works.

Amazon and the like can eat it. This is different. You don't leak stuff in the military.

 

[yankeesince59]

If his direct superiors weren't listening to his concerns he was right to leak the letter.

OMG...another "whistleblower"?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That's not how this works.

Amazon and the like can eat it. This is different. You don't leak stuff in the military.

You do if you are concerned about the men and women serving under you. You don't rise to the rank of captain in the Navy without knowing exactly what would happen if he leaked the letter. I'm sure he knew the moment he wrote it his career was over.

Now with the eyes of the country focused on this ship the health and welfare of the crew will given the importance they deserve. That's not always the case when it comes to our service personnel. See the sorry state of some of our VA hospitals for example.

 

[jonnyboy]

This is how the government works. It’s the reason whistleblowers exist. Of course now days whistleblowing is called treason.

 

[Chris Craig]

Bullshit. The navy got embarassed and made an example. Kudos to Captain Crozier for putting his men and women before his career. He deserves a medal

 

[CupWizier]

If his direct superiors weren't listening to his concerns he was right to leak the letter.

But did the captain ask nicely?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

But did the captain ask micely?

I'm a dog, mice are not an area of my expertease.

 

[CupWizier]

I'm a dog, mice are not an area of my expertease.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That's not how this works.

Amazon and the like can eat it. This is different. You don't leak stuff in the military.

I kind of agree I get the principle behind it, but the military is a different thing altogether.

 

[crandc]

I'm a dog, mice are not an area of my expertease.

I can check with Lucia.

 

[e_blazer]

Bullshit. The navy got embarassed and made an example. Kudos to Captain Crozier for putting his men and women before his career. He deserves a medal

Boy do you guys not understand how the military works. This guy’s career is toast.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Boy do you guys not understand how the military works. This guy’s career is toast.

The captain knew that when he wrote the letter.

But yeah, the military doesn't fuck around. His career is toast but I'm sure he'll get a gig as an "expert" on one of the national news networks.

 

[MARIS61]

If his direct superiors weren't listening to his concerns he was right to leak the letter.

It's a treasonous offense, and he should never serve in our military again.

 

[MARIS61]

Doctors and nurses have been fired for talking about lack of PPE. Amazon fired a worker who led action by protesting unsafe conditions.

Seems shooting the messenger is how some people respond to pandemic.

Leakers and whiners who grandstand for attention are usually mentally unstable narcissists with delusions of grandeur, are usually middle-managers with little knowledge and/or expertise, and endanger everyone by dividing our country and aiding the enemy, which in this case is China.

Weak, untrustworthy swamprats.

 

[MARIS61]

You do if you are concerned about the men and women serving under you. You don't rise to the rank of captain in the Navy without knowing exactly what would happen if he leaked the letter. I'm sure he knew the moment he wrote it his career was over.

Now with the eyes of the country focused on this ship the health and welfare of the crew will given the importance they deserve. That's not always the case when it comes to our service personnel. See the sorry state of some of our VA hospitals for example.

The Navy was absolutely "handling it", just not in the manner desired by the cowardly leaker. The Quivering Captain succumbed to paranoia for his personal safety, and endangered the ship, the crew, the nation by revealing to China how effective their bioweapon attack has been. China will now be modelling how many other ships and bases they have been able to infect.

As for VA hospitals, Trump has vastly improved them since Obama ignored their pleas for 8 years.

 

[MARIS61]

The captain knew that when he wrote the letter.

But yeah, the military doesn't fuck around. His career is toast but I'm sure he'll get a gig as an "expert" on one of the national news networks.

Not hard to figure out which one.

 

[BlazerWookee]

You do if you are concerned about the men and women serving under you. You don't rise to the rank of captain in the Navy without knowing exactly what would happen if he leaked the letter. I'm sure he knew the moment he wrote it his career was over.

Now with the eyes of the country focused on this ship the health and welfare of the crew will given the importance they deserve. That's not always the case when it comes to our service personnel. See the sorry state of some of our VA hospitals for example.

He wasn't fired for the letter. He was fired for the leak.

 

[Orion Bailey]

@SlyPokerDog
The principal is you cant trust the person next to you with your life on the front lines. this is a violation of that trust and absolutely can break down a military during wartimes. Not saying now is that time but he broke that trust that is held so dear to the military. When you have to put your life in another's hands you want that trust unconditional. He just made it conditional and diagnosed himself untrustworthy to his peers.

 

[illmatic99]

That's not how this works.

Amazon and the like can eat it. This is different. You don't leak stuff in the military.

Holy fuck, this is your response? No wonder our country is in a shithole.

This guy should be a national hero.

 

[illmatic99]

@SlyPokerDog
The principal is you cant trust the person next to you with your life on the front lines. this is a violation of that trust and absolutely can break down a military during wartimes. Not saying now is that time but he broke that trust that is held so dear to the military. When you have to put your life in another's hands you want that trust unconditional. He just made it conditional and diagnosed himself untrustworthy to his peers.

He just potentially save hundreds of lives.

Principal? Of what school?

 

[Orion Bailey]

He just potentially save hundreds of lives.

Principal? Of what school?

uhh the school of military? There are other ways to go about this. If you haven't been I'm the military them i doubt you would understand.
He also possibly contributed to thousands of soldiers broken trust leaving them isolated in the battlefield.

you just don't fuck with the trust of the military that is a code that goes back to the beginning of militaries.

i would only expect people who don't trust anything already to not understand this. Or if you have never had to entrust your life to another person, you likely will not understand.
But if you have i would think that trust being broken would be understood.

 

[crandc]

It seems to me the trust broken was those who did nothing while service personnel were getting sick.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It seems to me the trust broken was those who did nothing while service personnel were getting sick.

sure. But you handle it on the inside. Not with the media.
What happens in vegas stays in vegas.
Right @bodyman5000 and 1

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Holy fuck, this is your response? No wonder our country is in a shithole.

This guy should be a national hero.

This guy should be put on trial. You think he might have saved hundreds of lives?

Hundreds of young perfectly healthy soldiers? Gtfo with that nonsense. Do the math and assume these soldiers are average people and it still wouldn't be hundreds.

Mass stupidity is why this country has turned into a shithole.

Snowden and Manning should be given medals. This guy should be behind metal bars.

 

[stampedehero]

The captain has obligation to the command system.
Overall, I see this as a situation where he probably warned the superior staff; the case's multiplied and his care for the men that are sick and those not affected set a preventive course of action. Five Thousand lives are at stake. He knew about ocean liners in quarantine. The Navy could isolate the affected sailors on a base far off from civilian populations. Leakage of valued information was really an act of informing your chain of command on that ship. He is honest. Relieving him of command was a poor decision by those above him.
Captain Brett Crozier is now a scapegoat.

 

[illmatic99]

The captain has obligation to the command system.
Overall, I see this as a situation where he probably warned the superior staff; the case's multiplied and his care for the men that are sick and those not affected set a preventive course of action. Five Thousand lives are at stake. He knew about ocean liners in quarantine. The Navy could isolate the affected sailors on a base far off from civilian populations. Leakage of valued information was really an act of informing your chain of command on that ship. He is honest. Relieving him of command was a poor decision by those above him.
Captain Brett Crozier is now a scapegoat.

He did go up the chain of command. They didn't do anything

 

[Hoopguru]

Custer was warned by scouts that he should not precede.