Politics US Navy FIRES captain of coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt

So, your thought is taking these ships out of commission and leaving nuclear options as the only viable scenario if China, Russia, or N. Korea start using this time of pandemic as a good time to get aggressive?

 

I do respect and understand what you are saying!

 

WTF is the point of having a ship in commission if the more of the crew keeps getting sick every day?

I swear some of yall can't see the forest through the trees. This is like those bible thumping asshole officials in the south claiming the shutdown needs to be lifted to get the economy rolling again, while forgetting that can't really happen with sick people all over.

 

Unjust, corrupt or negligent behavior should be brought to light. Using "national security" as a shield to hide those qualities leads to a much uglier society.

 

Unless you're asking Ukraine for help proving it.
edit: and yes this is mostly a joke I realize the problem wasn't asking but holding aid until the help was given...

 

You know, it would be nice if just once in a while people would take a minute to think before going fricking ballistic around here.

The Navy doesn't float aircraft carriers around the Pacific just to give the sailors a nice joy ride. It's actually kind of important. I completely get that responding to the outbreak of the virus is essential to the mission, and I'm pretty sure that the Navy brass understand that better than any of us around here. It could be that pulling the ship into Guam was the only option to address the situation and that they would have come to that decision regardless of what the Captain did. My only point is that it wasn't his call to make, and taking the issue public was completely out of line.

Off the top of my head let's consider a few things:

1. The sailors on that ship aren't by and large in a high risk group.
2. The captain has the authority and ability to do testing and isolation of crew members as needed.
3. The ship has a well prepared and staffed sick bay.
4. The ship has the ability to fly very sick patients to shore for treatment if the need arises.
5. Even if the decision is that the Navy needs to take the ship to port, it's a nuclear powered vessel. You have to figure out how to safely man the ship to the extent of maintaining that reactor safely.
6. You need to figure out what needs to be done in order to safely and effectively decontaminate the vessel and you need to assemble the supplies and crew to do that.
7. You need to maintain preparations to be able to go back to sea quickly if a military emergency arises.
8. You need to figure out how to effectively cover for the loss of a major naval asset during the time it's in port and you need to move other assets around as necessary to cover as best you can.

And that's just off the top of my admittedly very uninformed head. So there just might be a bit bigger view of this particular forest that we highly incensed civilians don't have the knowledge to consider and it just might take a little time for the Navy brass to come up with the plans to deal with this challenge. The captain did absolutely nothing but add stress to an already difficult situation.

 

as a liberal and progressive, I must be missing something in this story

if it was the captain who leaked this letter, I don't see how the Navy had any other choice but to relieve this captain of his post. The chain of command is the fundamental backbone of military life. At the same time, is it certain it was the captain who leaked his letter? IIRC, the Navy thought that the captain showed poor judgement in too widely CC'ing his email, almost assuring it would become public

it does seem pretty clear that the Navy was essentially dismissing the concerns of the captain. But I can see how the logistics of dealing with this situation would be enormous. 5000 sailors would have to be immediately tested and until the tests were complete, and the results returned, how would you isolate every sailor from every other sailor? A nuclear aircraft carrier would have to drop anchor for several weeks and be disinfected while a bunch of replacements would be flown to Guam

all that said, the suggestion made in this thread that the captain should be put on trial is fucked up, especially if it can't be proven that he leaked the letter. A career officer being relieved of command is extremely significant punishment. He'll likely be demoted and forced into retirement. But what he did almost certainly saved some lives of his crew. The Navy would be smart to leave well enough alone

 

I mean, are people really surprised by any of this? Lol.

Maybe this is a good time to remind people that Julian Assange is still sitting in a prison cell.
Or that Chelsea Manning did time.
Or that Edward Snowden had politicians clamoring for his death sentence.
Or that pieces of human trash like Eddie Gallagher walk the earth freely.

Gimme a fucking break with your “chain of command” BS. There’s no such thing as a complaint being addressed within military or government. Peons get pee’d on.

 

They signed up for it. The military was probably going to give them all the Trump drug as people call it.

Whatever their plan was, this guy showing this letter to a gazillion people is his mistake.

He doesn't get to do that and not get in trouble.

Assange and Snowden and Manning are different.

 

Command of an aircraft carrier is just about the highest honor a Navy officer can aspire to (based on my naval experience). I honestly believe that most officers would be happy to defer further promotion rather than to take a higher level shore side position. To get to where he was, this captain had his shit together and I don’t believe for one minute that he took his decision lightly. I’m sure he knew EXACTLY what the end result was going to be. I believe he acted for the greater good.....and that history will prove he made a righteous call.

 

Why can't the Navy be like the Catholic church? If a bad priest is found out doing illicit activities they are just transferred to a different parrish out of state with no record of the illegal activity and free to assume his disgusting habits.

 

and suddenly that crushed the narrative that he betrayed his people

Next...

 

this has made me curious and a quick google search hasn't helped

I'm curious about semi-approximate floor plans of a nuclear aircraft carrier. How many decks and what if the scale? Not sure if those are around anywhere

 

I need to put in a like from Marazul.

He says @e_blazer wins the thread.

 

Best I could find:

 

This is just silly. Even I can see through most of these.