OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Oh, they warned to "self quarantine". They should have mandated people stay the fuck home.

 

of course, but which of those two 'sides' are aligned with public health interests?

there is the opposite of the public interest in encouraging not wearing masks and ignoring social distancing. But one side is doing that

 

Curious why you think that? In states where the government thinks it should shut down, wouldn't that be a plausible way to get what they want?


I just love this... I think its safe to say ANY part of the government is being honest is a joke at this point.

 

If you really want my opinion, neither. Both of those sides are about getting our money and our votes and don't really care one-iota about public health. It's about shaming the other guys. I legit think if Trump came out tomorrow with a hard stance that people need to wear masks, we would immediately start seeing "studies" and some of the less savory news influencers say how wearing masks is actually bad for you. I may be crazy, but the politics in this country at this point means whatever that group said were gonna say the opposite because if we look like we are taking the same side we might inadvertently give them a political win and we can't have that. This is probably a really extreme example, but to me, it really feels like no one is looking out for "public health and safety" their all looking out for themselves.

 

That was right at the beginning of the riots/looting, so I stayed away. Lots of looting in Santa Monica/Venice. Oh, some mixed in protesting there as well.

 

This is the sad part. People don't run for office to be dirty or dishonest.
The problem i have is that there are really really good honest people doing their very best to bring out the best of this country.
But because some are bought off then they say all of them are dirty.
It's not the case. Go to any legislative session at the capitol and you can see good people working to get things done.

 

Except the left believes in science. Global warming and such.

 

wut?

they can't even "mandate" that people wear masks in public.

I know you think that trashing the protests is a worthwhile pursuit; and that blaming the protests rather than reopening is aligned with your political views

but again, whether the protests are responsible for 10% of the surge or 33% doesn't really matter because it supports and proves the value of policies of social distancing and wearing masks. That's the takeaway we should be focused on. For damn certain, the protests were covid-stupid, but they were also inevitable. Maybe we should be blaming the part of the surges from protests on the police as much, or more than the protestors. If that cop hadn't killed George Floyd, and if those cops hadn't gunned down Breonna Taylor, the protests wouldn't have happened

 

I don't disagree, but just like many things in life they are being drowned out by the loudmouth evil ones.

No different with cops. Not all cops are bad, but they are all under the gun right now until they fix their internal shit.

Politics should be the same. A universal disdain form the public for all until they fix their shit internally. Both parties, both sides.

 

No they don't they largely believe in what scientists agree with them, same for the right. We all listen to science as long as it agrees with us, the left isn't any different.

 

that's bunk....I'm part of the left and I do not modify my acceptance of science to fit my beliefs. Just the opposite, and I'm not unique on the left

the both-sides do it doesn't withstand any serious scrutiny. It's true in some things, but science isn't one of those things

 

Huh?
Its only republicans that fall for that stuff!

 

And you are the whole left party are you?

Lol.....

No one in the left does this? lol

Thats the epidome of head in sand. Sorry.

 

I disagree, and here's why even using COVID as an example. Almost every single study that comes out saying something different is immediately met with that can't be true! by whichever side it's going against popular opinion for. Lots of studies out there and yes they vary in how well they are done and have variables and all of that, but if the first reaction from the other side is to get all defensive and say NOPE NOPE NOPE that is opposed to scientific study in that if some study comes out and you think it's fishy you should go gather more data, to try to prove it and it shouldn't just be about I want to prove them wrong. Republicans have been doing it too, but it has been on both sides. They both point to studies and say look this is what this "scientist" said here's my proof and then rather than listen and actually try to comprehend what data their given it's nope that can't be right cause that's not what this other study said, or I don't want to hear this one.
edit: I can't speak for individuals but in general terms, this happened repeatedly during the last few months. You can't say you believe in "science" if any data that is put forth that a side doesn't like, or is against popular opinion is put out there and you toss it aside because "feelings" and stuff, that isn't science. That's group think and is against scientific principles, if you think no one on the left does that then we can just agree to disagree.

 

bullshit

no where did I say I was speaking for every single person on the left, and nowhere did I claim the the left was iniversally innocent. But I am saying that the left side of the political spectrum doesn't come close to the same dimension of science denial as the right, and especially that fucker trump. To argue otherwise as you seemingly are is not just "head-in-the-sand" thinking it's head-up-the-ass thinking. Don't throw down an insulting gauntlet like you just did and expect a mild response

 

I didn't insult you.

 

My bad I thought that was a reply to me.

 

Bullshit. The quote you responded to said the left.

You responded with "I"

So don't do what you do and throw down insulting gauntlets and expect a mild response?

You are comical and are apparently oblivious to how abrasive you are on here as well at times.

Anyhow, Again the post you responded to was lefts and you said I and said bullshit. So in your own post you defined yourself as the left.


FYI, its insulting to start a post with bullshit. That is insulting another's opinion.

THAT'S head in sand denial. Sorry.


Maybe you should take a lesson from your own " insult book"... but then by your logic, its not an insult unless "Your" opinion of it is an insult, regardless of anyone else's right?


LOL.

 

I disagree

what you seem to be pinning this on is the evolving science of Covid. When it first started, the experts were basing their models, predictions, and recommendations on past viruses and epidemics. Covid is new, and those models, predictions, and recommendations have evolved as the scientific data as accumulated.

I think a prime example of that is the ventilator issue. The initial predictions about ventilator use were way the hell off. And the potocols for intubation and changed dramatically as treatment results have been published

so as the pandemic evolves, perspectives evolve. That's not a matter of hypocrisy, that's the evolving nature of this particular pandemic.