Trade Ben Simmons poll

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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

  1. CJ + RoCo for Simmons and scrubs

    9.7%
  2. CJ for Simmons

    62.1%
  3. It depends on our new coach

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  4. I'm not trading for that bum!

    24.8%
  1. Shaboid

    Shaboid Well-Known Member

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    You forget that once this whole Olshey investigation is over, we're resigning Meyers.
     
  2. BoomChakaLaka

    BoomChakaLaka Well-Known Member

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    why is that? I sure hope we don’t Sign him to a massive contract in July - so best we find a team to trade him to!
     
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  3. andalusian

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    If you think he will resign. I think Nurkic will not resign here for what he is really worth, trading him is the only way to get some value for him, the other alternative is overpaying for a player that would have thrived in the nba of 15 years ago but is a role player in today's NBA. Zco was supposed to be Portland's modern NBA big, doubling down on a relic will haunt Portland going forward.
     
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  4. HailBlazers

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    Team friendly deal yes.
     
  5. boredinsalem

    boredinsalem Well-Known Member

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    This is a rock bottom deal, but I think we might be a better team with the following:

    McCollum/Roco for Love/Okoro

    They get more balanced and add scoring and some shooting to go with their impressive backline. We get under the tax, balance out the roster, retain cap flexibility for next year, and get younger. Who knows what Dame makes of it though.

    Lillard/Simons
    Powell/Okoro
    Little/Snell
    Love/Nance
    Nurkic/Zeller

    I actually think that Love/Nurkic lineups would feast when healthy. We could play some bully ball and the passing from all of our bigs would be top notch. We'd be absolutely dependent on Dame's health and growth from Simons, Okoro, and Little, but we're not going anywhere now so fuck it.
     
  6. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    "Team friendly deal" invariably means fewer years and/or dollars. I don't see Nurkic, a proud guy who doesn't believe he gets enough touches and chances to run the offense through himself, going along with that. I think andalusian is right that Nurkic is likely to price himself out of Portland's market as a free agent.
     
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  7. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    The only three worth a shit out of that list are Devon Booker, Jrue Holiday and Chris Paul.
     
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    I think that's all likely accurate

    if free agency started today, I don't think there's any chance Nurkic would re-sign with Portland. And if Nurkic didn't get the kinds of offers he expected (which is also likely) I'd think he'd blame Billups and Olshey for torpedoing his contract year...and wouldn't re-sign even if the Blazers offered a little more money than anybody else. I can't see any of that dynamic changing much over the rest of the season; but I guess it's possible

    problem is Olshey is still the GM and, IMO, he won't do anything that could jeopardize the win total this season. I think he's desperate to be proven right about the "roster isn't the problem", and trading away Nurkic takes away the best defender & rebounder. Blazers would lose more games. How many more I don't know but they'd probably be in the play-in at best

    I'd say there is a really good chance that Nurkic will walk next summer. Same for RoCo and he'll take the ghosts of two 1st round picks with him
     
  9. TBpup

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    Simmons is still the most talented player the Blazers could hope to pair with Dame, baggage, warts and all.

    He makes the Blazers a better defensive team, a more athletic team, and a bigger team... which are all things Chauncey wants.

    He also makes us better in all of those areas just by pushing Powell to SG.

    And it's not like we wouldn't get more out of moon on offense than we are getting from RoCo.

    This has the biggest upside and that is one of the things Cronin spoke about.
     
  10. Rastapopoulos

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    OK, looking back, I think we dodged a bullet here, as I love Josh Hart, and even though I may be the last person in the world still intrigued by Simmons' unique skill set (and prepared to look past his GLARING deficits), Hart is all around (ESPECIALLY when you include his personality) more valuable than Simmons right now. HOWEVER, given this:

    Ben Simmons’s Name in Trade Talks As Nets Hope to Salvage Season, per Report

    I would be prepared to offer this:

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    I'm pretty sure I'm the only one, though, and it's only because (a) I've never been the biggest Jerami Grant fan, and (b) I actually think Jabari Walker will make Jerami kind of redundant soon anyway. Oh, and (c) if we trade Payton II before he ever plays for us, we won't miss him. Although we can't trade him until Dec 15th (as it says) so he's likely to have played for us (and Simmons traded by the Nets) by then...

    (It's a shame we don't have Lonnie Walker IV to keep the numbers going...)
     
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  11. Rastapopoulos

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    Is Simmons really washed up? Starting to look that way. Is it primarily physical or psychological? Is this a Markelle Fultz thing?

    Still think there might be a mentor who could work on him. San Antonio used to be interested - maybe if he could realize that he's teetering on the brink and just totally set his ego aside...
     
  12. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Hell no.
     
  13. illmatic99

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    i would do that too. I have no interest in giving Grant a 100+ mil extension. And while the idea of GP2 is nice, he doesn't make that much sense for our roster with Sharpe/Hart.

    but it's kinda wild, in a vacuum, one can legitimately say that Ben Simmons is currently a taller Justise Winslow who is getting paid 35 mil. We would have to confirm that his issues right now are because of injuries.
     
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    BTW, Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks spent some time on the Lowe Post today hashing out Durant trade ideas.

    They both thought Portland was a good option.

    They brought up Grant as the main piece. Then Hart as a rotational starter. And Sharpe, but both said Portland would have to think long and hard about moving him. And both said we don't have any interest in moving Simons.

    Marks brought up Nurkic, but said we would have to get Claxton back.

    I would do Grant + Nurk + Hart + 3 pick swaps for Durant + Claxton.

    Dame
    Ant
    Winslow
    KD
    Claxton

    with Nas/Sharpe/Keon/GP2/Eubanks off the bench. NGL, that is an absolutely sick team if healthy. BK would obviously insist on Sharpe.
     
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  15. GrandpaBlaze

    GrandpaBlaze Predictions Game Master

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    I could potentially be convinced to do such a trade - but only if we get some picks back. All that for someone who is showing pretty much nothing and garners a huge paycheck - nah unless there is further compensation (i.e., picks).
     
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    Now KD to Portland that does kinda interest me, but I'd rather keep Sharpe than Ant if they insisted on one or the other. Sharpe plays defense and I'd play KD at the 3 with Winslow at the 4.
     
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    If Ben is available and the Nets are being reasonable, after January 15, this is my trade that I'd accept (I would likely start the conversation with two firsts but then let them whittle me down to one).
    upload_2022-11-4_12-49-7.png

    Ben would start at Center and he would ideally play all of his minutes there. That doesn't mean he couldn't initiate the offense (including bringing the ball up) on certain plays it just means he would be our 5 when he is in. I think we would then want to pick up a backup C off of the buyout market or just a free agent and possibly a backup PG although with all of the guys that can initiate the offense (Winslow, Hart, Keon, obviously Dame and Ben) we wouldn't really need that backup PG because GP2 could backup the 1 spot with someone else running point.

    I think that a rotation of Dame, Shaedon, Hart, Grant, Simmons, Justise, GP3, Nas and possibly someone like our good friend LaMarcus Aldridge would make a lot of noise in the playoffs and be a very elite defensive team along with being an extremely potent offensive team.
     
  18. andalusian

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    Until Sharpe can prove that he can reliably contribute on offense (which is not going to happen until his handle improves a lot, imho) - you do not get rid of Simons. This team will need a secondary, reliable offense threat, and right now it is Dame >>> Ant >> anyone else on the roster.
     
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    I think Jerami is much closer to Ant than you are giving him credit for. But yeah, Shaedon would have to show a lot more than he has in order to make this trade and I think he will by mid January... if he hasn't I still might make the trade because despite what he's doing right now, the right coach could unlock Ben Simmons and he could again be an all nba player and if playing the correct position could be an even more impactful player.
     
  20. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The cost of getting Durant because of the size of his contract is prohibitive, especially since the team is hard capped. He makes $44.1 million this year.

    A trade would require financially:

    Ant
    Hart
    GPII

    Or

    Simons
    Sharpe
    Nurk

    Or

    Hart
    Payton
    Nurk
    Winslow
    Little

    But here's the rub. Since we're hard capped, we won't be able to sign any other players to fill those slots. We can't go over the cap for any reason. That's why some of us were so annoyed at getting hard capped with Payton. It extremely limited what we can do this season at the deadline.
     
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