Event Egor Demin? 2025 nba draft candidate

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  1. Sheldon Shape

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    I don't think they ever called Poku the best passer in the draft from what I remember.
     
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    If Dalano was Deni Avdija
     
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    Portland definitely needs to add shooting to it's rotation and Egor will probably not address this need immediately. The question for the staff is whether he has it in him to become a good shooter because if he can then he'd be something. If he is still filling out as reported and adding to athleticism, that would also be something very positive. To my eye his college tape looked like he had a ways to go to physically to match up in the pros so I don't expect much from him his rookie year. Lots of ifs, we'll see if Portland is a believer in what he could become.

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    Size is an advantage but how important is it compared to skill and athleticism? The 3 point line rules the league and has run a lot of pure size out of the league.

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    I'd take a real good look at this kid..he's got a lot of game. Given his size for a pt guard and his passing and footwork he could be a steal. His shot has good mechanics but needs to improve his 3 pt shooting.
     
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    Improving one's three point shooting is one of the easiest skills to improve. I'm not worried about his prospects to improve his shot.
     
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    I think the Dalano/Demin comparison ends at the point where they are both 6-9 and can run point.
     
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    Winning or even contending for a championship supersedes our timeline.
     
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    So the argument is that there's some kind of zero sum game and the rules of magic are that you have to trade off height for other skills? So it's not really the height that we're complaining about it's the absence of the other skills? So basically: "do we think that not being able to shoot or jump is an advantage?"?
     
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    come on Rasta, why contort such a simple point with nonsense? Yes Denin has plus size which is great, but at this point in his development he has not been a solid shooter (skill) and is a lesser athlete. At least with what he showed on tape last season, I don't think he's ready for NBA playing time.

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    I certainly agree with that. So Demin is bad. Let's not generalize illegitimately.
     
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    Lol, care to elaborate? Has making 3s and defending the 3 point line not changed the physical makeup of the league? I'm very comfortable with the generalization that it absolutely has trended players towards more athletic and better shooting while raw size has become less important. For instance, throughout the league the old school bruising PF has gone away replaced by another agile Wing who can make and defend 3s.

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    I get it...but Dalano has been deemed a pg where I dont believe Deni has been...Your right thought in that Deni can bring the ball up..
     
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    The original quote was about "big PGs"
     
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    quick...somebody send that memo to Kris Murray....and Andre Miller.....and Evan Turner....and Justise Winslow....and Jake Layman....and Nic Batum...and Mario Hezonja....and Ben Simmons....and Russell Westbrook

    by the way, Kris Murray shot .348 on three's in college. Demin shot .273; and he had a significant sample size of 154 attempts. He also shot under 70% on FT's so there's a real chance he might just be a bad shooter from distance

    it's true that a lot of players improve their three over time. But it's also true that a lot don't. A player shooting under 28% on three's and under 70% on FT's should not generate much optimism for his shooting skills. I'd be curious about how many players who shot like that in college actually became decent in the NBA, and how long it took

    Rajon Rondo didn't show any improvement on his three till his 10th season. Jason Kidd shot 37% on three's in his 3rd season, but it wasn't till his 13th season that he shot better than that
     
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    None of what you posted negates that shooting is the easiest skill to improve. Many of your examples are also of the NBA from yesteryear where it wasn't as much an emphasis as it is now. These anecdotes don't change much of anything.
     
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    Drafting is a balance of realized production and future potential. Potential is often gauged by age and physical characteristics (such as height, wingspan and leaping ability).

    Production:
    7.1 ast36 (1.87 ast/to) strong.
    - 5.1 reb36 is decent for 6'9".
    13.9 pts36 is low.
    27.3% 3pt (at 4.7 atm/gm) is low.
    PER: 15.6 is low for a 1st round pick.
    BPM: 5.3 is low of a 1st round pick.

    Physical Characteristics:
    Draft age: 19.3 is good.
    Height w/o shoes: 6'8.25" is good.
    - Wingspan: 6' 10.25" is decent.
    Max Vertical Leap: 32.0" is low.

    Although Demin is an interesting prospect, I think there are better picks at #11.
     
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    People say that a lot, but how many players show significant improvement in their first four years? If a guy is like a 26% three point shooter, what's the odds he's gonna get up to 35%?

    Scoot is actually one of the few guys that I look at where there was significant shooting improvement.
     
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    You have to really want to improve. If you aren't consistently getting a lot of intentional reps it won't be as effective.

    So to me it makes sense that somebody who didn't like shooting enough to be good before becoming an NBA player might not like getting the reps enough to be as intentional as required.

    Westbrook and Jordan, for example. Both guys who didn't get better at 3pt shooting until they absolutely had to. They had to want it first.
     

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