You can't even compare what Kidd did for New Jersey with what Carter did for Toronto. Kidd was arguably the best player in your storied franchise's history and took you to 2 NBA Finals. Carter was Toronto's first franchise player and took us to the 2nd round (its not that hard to be the best player of a franchise that's just 5-6 years old). Kidd's statistics are among the league's best and will be franchise marks for years to come. Most of Carter's records have been surpassed and Chris Bosh will pass his scoring mark within the next 3 seasons. Plus, VC's fall from grace was stretched out over 2-3 seasons while Nets fans only had to deal with Kidd's b.s. for half a season.
Carter's number isn't retired, and nor do I think it should be. If he didn't go out like a bitch, then I would say we should retire it. But he went out with his "injuries" and his shit, so I could care less about him. If you're going to retire a Raptor number, Mo Pete and Alvin Williams and possibly JYD. Bosh will be up there one day. You can quote me on that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Feb 23 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter's number isn't retired, and nor do I think it should be. If he didn't go out like a bitch, then I would say we should retire it. But he went out with his "injuries" and his shit, so I could care less about him. If you're going to retire a Raptor number, Mo Pete and Alvin Williams and possibly JYD. Bosh will be up there one day. You can quote me on that.</div> Alvin Williams and JYD? Wtf? haha, Alvin wasn't THAT good... Mo Pete would be awesome there, tho. Definitely hang that jersey.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 23 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would do the same as Toronto did with the number of the greatest Raptor ever, Vince Carter. They retired his number, right?</div> Yeah, those two final appearances with Carter were pretty memorable.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 23 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Feb 23 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter's number isn't retired, and nor do I think it should be. If he didn't go out like a bitch, then I would say we should retire it. But he went out with his "injuries" and his shit, so I could care less about him. If you're going to retire a Raptor number, Mo Pete and Alvin Williams and possibly JYD. Bosh will be up there one day. You can quote me on that.</div> Alvin Williams and JYD? Wtf? haha, Alvin wasn't THAT good... Mo Pete would be awesome there, tho. Definitely hang that jersey. </div> I think Alvin was a good guy and he was always there. But JYD does a lot for the community. He is always at Raptor games and he loves the team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Feb 23 2008, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 23 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Feb 23 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter's number isn't retired, and nor do I think it should be. If he didn't go out like a bitch, then I would say we should retire it. But he went out with his "injuries" and his shit, so I could care less about him. If you're going to retire a Raptor number, Mo Pete and Alvin Williams and possibly JYD. Bosh will be up there one day. You can quote me on that.</div> Alvin Williams and JYD? Wtf? haha, Alvin wasn't THAT good... Mo Pete would be awesome there, tho. Definitely hang that jersey. </div> I think Alvin was a good guy and he was always there. But JYD does a lot for the community. He is always at Raptor games and he loves the team. </div> Oh. I thought JYD turned into a NYK man after he went there. Didn't realize that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Feb 23 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't even compare what Kidd did for New Jersey with what Carter did for Toronto. Kidd was arguably the best player in your storied franchise's history and took you to 2 NBA Finals. Carter was Toronto's first franchise player and took us to the 2nd round (its not that hard to be the best player of a franchise that's just 5-6 years old). Kidd's statistics are among the league's best and will be franchise marks for years to come. Most of Carter's records have been surpassed and Chris Bosh will pass his scoring mark within the next 3 seasons. Plus, VC's fall from grace was stretched out over 2-3 seasons while Nets fans only had to deal with Kidd's b.s. for half a season.</div> great points. Now my opinion is yes Kidd jersey should be retire. he has did a lot for the nets franchise. We had good and bad times. Though the Nets who went to finals will eventually be lost among the Western Conference Dominance, The Spurs 4 rings, Shaq and Kobe three peat plus The Pistons and Heat bringing glory back to the EAST.
yes taking a team who had 17 wins and then taking them to back to back NBA finals deserves jersey retirement no question
If I remember correctly, the Raptors immediately gave Carter's number to a rookie. Not sure who it was. I am sure that Kidd's number will be retired. However, in my view, he surrendered the right to such honors by essentially declaring that he didn't want to be part of the team or its future. Kidd led the team to great heights . . . but in my view, to receive such an honor, you must contribute more than just numbers: you must be a leader on the court, in the clubhouse, and in the community, someone who was a fixture for years and relished it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 23 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If I remember correctly, the Raptors immediately gave Carter's number to a rookie. Not sure who it was. I am sure that Kidd's number will be retired. However, in my view, he surrendered the right to such honors by essentially declaring that he didn't want to be part of the team or its future. Kidd led the team to great heights . . . but in my view, to receive such an honor, you must contribute more than just numbers: you must be a leader on the court, in the clubhouse, and in the community, someone who was a fixture for years and relished it.</div> Jorge Garbajosa...only technically a rookie. He's more of a veteran, as he played for a while overseas in Spain..right? He's, what, 29 now? What a coincidence...he's always injured now, too. Is there some sort of a curse in Toronto with the number 15..?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 23 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If I remember correctly, the Raptors immediately gave Carter's number to a rookie. Not sure who it was. I am sure that Kidd's number will be retired. However, in my view, he surrendered the right to such honors by essentially declaring that he didn't want to be part of the team or its future. Kidd led the team to great heights . . . but in my view, to receive such an honor, you must contribute more than just numbers: you must be a leader on the court, in the clubhouse, and in the community, someone who was a fixture for years and relished it.</div> cmon dumpy, kidd was the nets for two solid years and has led the team to the playoffs every single year, he was a great teammate until this year where he wanted out but he didnt forcefully demand out and pull a AI. hell, barkely called the Sixers shit yet he was honored gracefully and lets not forget, kidd did help out the community alot and it was time he moved on anyway. i could care less about his trade request for this year, he's done to much for this team to not even have to think about retiring his jersey without any doubt
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 23 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 23 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If I remember correctly, the Raptors immediately gave Carter's number to a rookie. Not sure who it was. I am sure that Kidd's number will be retired. However, in my view, he surrendered the right to such honors by essentially declaring that he didn't want to be part of the team or its future. Kidd led the team to great heights . . . but in my view, to receive such an honor, you must contribute more than just numbers: you must be a leader on the court, in the clubhouse, and in the community, someone who was a fixture for years and relished it.</div> cmon dumpy, kidd was the nets for two solid years and has led the team to the playoffs every single year, he was a great teammate until this year where he wanted out but he didnt forcefully demand out and pull a AI. hell, barkely called the Sixers shit yet he was honored gracefully and lets not forget, kidd did help out the community alot and it was time he moved on anyway. i could care less about his trade request for this year, he's done to much for this team to not even have to think about retiring his jersey without any doubt </div> Sorry, how did he help the community again? Let's take a look at the Nets' "NBA Cares" commercial . . . oh, here he is, going to an elementary school in what was solely a marketing event. I guess that makes him a local hero.
