Thorn Ready To Shake Up Nets

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 18 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rudy Gay is one that comes to my head .. i bet houston is feeling pretty stupid. imagine TMAC YAO AND rudy</div>
Battier was exactly what Houston needed. That was a great trade.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 18 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 18 2008, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 18 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you look at recent history, a traded draft pick is NEVER worth as much as the IDEA of the draft pick. Look at the lottery draft picks that have been dealt in draft-day trades, and they're rarely worth as much as the player that comes back.</div>

3 quick examples of trades for high picks that worked out well for the team receiving the better pick.

The Utah Jazz moved up from the #6 pick to the #3 pick in 2005
The Portland Trail Blazers moved up from the #4 pick to the #2 pick in 2006
The Detroit Pistons traded Darko for what ended up as the #15 pick in 2007
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What players came back in those trades?
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Well obviously Darko was in the Detroit trade. Viktor Khryapa was traded from the Blazers to the Bulls.

Picks have much more value than Dumpy wants to give them credit for. However, the value is based upon the skill of the holder. The Nets made what ended up being a great decision to trade down for multiple picks in 2001 while the Jazz made a great decision to trade up in 2005.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 18 2008, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 18 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rudy Gay is one that comes to my head .. i bet houston is feeling pretty stupid. imagine TMAC YAO AND rudy</div>
Battier was exactly what Houston needed. That was a great trade.
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Don't forget, that Memphis had to agree to take Stro Swift or there was no deal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 18 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 18 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 18 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 18 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you look at recent history, a traded draft pick is NEVER worth as much as the IDEA of the draft pick. Look at the lottery draft picks that have been dealt in draft-day trades, and they're rarely worth as much as the player that comes back.</div>

3 quick examples of trades for high picks that worked out well for the team receiving the better pick.

The Utah Jazz moved up from the #6 pick to the #3 pick in 2005
The Portland Trail Blazers moved up from the #4 pick to the #2 pick in 2006
The Detroit Pistons traded Darko for what ended up as the #15 pick in 2007
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I'm not talking about trading lottery picks for lottery picks, or lottery picks for still-developing players, but of course you knew that. I'm talking about trading a lottery pick where the primary asset coming back is a veteran player. For example, Jeff Green for Ray Allen.
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Well for starters, the example you used is pretty crappy. The Sonics wanted to get worse as they wanted the fans not to show up at the arena.

Next, how many such trades have there been? In 2001 the Grizzlies made out great trading SAR for the right to pick Gasol. The same year, the Bulls traded Brand for the right to pick Tyson Chandler. Now, that didn't work out well for the Bulls, however, that was the Bulls fault. As soon as Tyson was traded away from the Bulls, he developed into one of the top Centers in the NBA.

In 2002, the Knicks traded Camby and the #7 pick (Nene) for Antonio McDyess. The Nuggets got the better end of that deal. In 2004, the Wizards traded the #5 pick (Devin Harris) for Antawn Jamison. While Jamison put up better stats, you also have consider that the Mavs wanted both Jamison and Walker gone at almost any cost.

Even limited to your narrow scope, it is at best 50/50 and not the bleak picture you are attempting to paint.
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You left out the Nets trading a couple of draft picks for Vince Carter.

actually, I read an article promoting this position, giving a number of examples. However, I don't remember if it was based on a detailed analysis or was just the subjective opinion of the author. However, it seemed pretty convincing. I don't remember where I read it.

That Brand video actually makes me miss Mikki. Collins too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 18 2008, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You left out the Nets trading a couple of draft picks for Vince Carter.

actually, I read an article promoting this position, giving a number of examples. However, I don't remember if it was based on a detailed analysis or was just the subjective opinion of the author. However, it seemed pretty convincing. I don't remember where I read it.</div>

Neither was a lottery pick. Although the Raptors could have taken Danny Granger which would have made the trade a big win.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 18 2008, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've actually been pretty surprised by how effective Brand has been after coming back this year, probably because of the context of my perception: earlier that season I saw Nenad Krstic come back from a season ending injury, and ~1.5 seasons after his injury he's still not where he should be.

Brand can rebound, and is gifted offensively, but is there anything that he can't bring to the table? Ideally we would trade RJ+ a big that leaves us with a good complimentary player. I think you hit the nail on the head with how he pairs with Kaman, and so hopefully we could trade away Krstic to fill that outside-inside relationship they had (keeping in mind that he doesn't have as much value as he could). I don't want to trade Sean. The second half the season has incurred doubts in people's minds as to what he could become, but based on the experience he's had I still feel like he could be a great young player for the future of this franchise. I'd also love to see him learn under Brand. That leaves Stromile, Boone, and Diop.

Stromile is a going to be a $6 million expiring contract. Boone was our best big man this season, who was able to become a double double guy in our Nets system. Still, I've got my concerns about his durability. Also how would he function as a member of the Clippers? At least if he's packaged with Krstic he's be valuable off the bench. I'd prefer to keep Diop. I think its important we maintain our best post defender, and he's a good rebounder.

So while I won't address specific trade proposals, I think if we can get away with RJ+Boone+Krstic+pick that leave us with a a reason to draft a big man in the draft, and a group of guys that can play well together.</div>


Great ideas GM!