Trade for Tyrus Thomas?

axs88 · Dec 4, 2009

Wojo says Bulls are talking with Knicks -- Thomas and Jerome James for Al Harrington.

I'd give them Outlaw and Blake for him in a heartbeat. Too bad Outlaw is on the shelf and they have no need for Blake. Harrington is actually a fairly serviceable player, and is an expiring just the same.

Thomas could be the backup 4 we need, he's also a restricted FA this summer, so we would hold all the cards with him.

What would it take? (Maybe some combination with Deng/Kirk?)

Natebishop3 · Dec 4, 2009

It would seem that the whole point behind Chicago trading Thomas is because they want some more fire power. Harrington can still score in this league, so I don't think the Bulls would trade Thomas for an injured Outlaw and a failing Blake. I like the idea of adding Thomas though. He's a decent spark plug off the bench. It would be great if we could work something out.

axs88 · Dec 4, 2009

Natebishop3 said:
It would seem that the whole point behind Chicago trading Thomas is because they want some more fire power.

Yup. I suspect we would have to include Rudy, but we wouldn't do that without them including Deng (or maybe not even then), which in turn I don't see them doing.

Natebishop3 · Dec 4, 2009

axs88 said:
Yup. I suspect we would have to include Rudy, but we wouldn't do that without them including Deng (or maybe not even then), which in turn I don't see them doing.

They had discussed a Deng for Rudy swap on the Bulls forum not that long ago. Yes, I wouldn't trade Rudy for Thomas.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjynjhz

I would do that.

Rose
Rudy
Salmons
Thomas
Przybilla

Portland has a lineup of

Blake/Miller
Roy/Bayless
Deng/Webster
LMA/Noah
Oden/Noah

MikeDC · Dec 4, 2009

I don't see how a Tyrus to the Blazers deal would work out for the Bulls if it didn't include Rudy. Even then, it would leave us woefully short-handed up front. So it seems to me that it'd be a hard thing to pull off.

If we combine Tyrus + Deng, we in some ways make that problem worse, because Deng plays the 4 for us as well. And while I'd like to trade Deng, I don't think the Bulls are up for it. Trading Tyrus for Harrington, however, seems like exactly the sort of move the Bulls would make.

Rastapopoulos · Dec 4, 2009

Tyrus Thomas just doesn't make much sense for us so long as Nate is our coach. He seems best suited for a running game, which is indeed why D'Antoni is supposed to be interested.

BenDavis503 · Dec 4, 2009

Why do we assume that if two other teams are talking a trade, we can just butt in and offer something and get the player?

lol

Natebishop3 · Dec 4, 2009

BenDavis503 said:
Why do we assume that if two other teams are talking a trade, we can just butt in and offer something and get the player?

lol

Because we have a ton of assets.

axs88 · Dec 4, 2009

BenDavis503 said:
Why do we assume that if two other teams are talking a trade, we can just butt in and offer something and get the player?

lol

Who assumed we can just butt in and get him? I don't think it's particularly realistic, but the fact they are talking means he's available and he's a player many here think could fill a void for us. Besides... wtf else is there to talk about till tomorrow?

RR7 · Dec 4, 2009

BenDavis503 said:
Why do we assume that if two other teams are talking a trade, we can just butt in and offer something and get the player?

lol

I like it best whn we butt in and offer something they don't necessarily need or want. Outlaw and Blake to Chicago? Because they need Blake for what? And Outlaw isn't playing. I'm sure they'll go for that. 3rd string PG and an injured SF.

Natebishop3 · Dec 4, 2009

RR7 said:
I like it best whn we butt in and offer something they don't necessarily need or want. Outlaw and Blake to Chicago? Because they need Blake for what? And Outlaw isn't playing. I'm sure they'll go for that. 3rd string PG and an injured SF.

There's a thread over on the Chicago board talking about this. You should go check it out

BenDavis503 · Dec 4, 2009

RR7 said:
I like it best whn we butt in and offer something they don't necessarily need or want. Outlaw and Blake to Chicago? Because they need Blake for what? And Outlaw isn't playing. I'm sure they'll go for that. 3rd string PG and an injured SF.

I know right lol

Wheels · Dec 4, 2009

maybe we can offer them LMA

RR7 · Dec 4, 2009

Wheels said:
maybe we can offer them LMA

Only if they include Viktor coming back. Otherwise, no deal.

Rastapopoulos · Dec 4, 2009

RR7 said:
I like it best whn we butt in and offer something they don't necessarily need or want. Outlaw and Blake to Chicago? Because they need Blake for what? And Outlaw isn't playing. I'm sure they'll go for that. 3rd string PG and an injured SF.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Thomas isn't playing either. And what's valuable about both Blake and Outlaw is that their contracts are expiring. Now, so is Thomas's, but sometimes teams will trade expiring players just to get them away from their teams. Supposedly that's currently the case with McGrady, and Thomas isn't exactly known as a lockerroom asset.

Natebishop3 · Dec 4, 2009

Rastapopoulos said:
I don't know if you've noticed, but Thomas isn't playing either. And what's valuable about both Blake and Outlaw is that their contracts are expiring. Now, so is Thomas's, but sometimes teams will trade expiring players just to get them away from their teams. Supposedly that's currently the case with McGrady, and Thomas isn't exactly known as a lockerroom asset.

I think it's more likely that we could get someone like Kirk from Chicago for Blake and Outlaw.

axs88 · Dec 4, 2009

RR7 said:
I like it best whn we butt in and offer something they don't necessarily need or want. Outlaw and Blake to Chicago? Because they need Blake for what? And Outlaw isn't playing. I'm sure they'll go for that. 3rd string PG and an injured SF.

Such great insight. I said as much in the original post:

Too bad Outlaw is on the shelf and they have no need for Blake.

hasoos · Dec 4, 2009

I thought Tyrus Thomas was hurt.

I think Al Harrington would be a pretty good SF type. Although his number are inflated right now because he is on a bad running team.

Wheels · Dec 4, 2009

RR7 said:
Only if they include Viktor coming back. Otherwise, no deal.

LOL! I venture to guess that would be a deal breaker for them. Maybe Lindsay Hunter? But we would have to throw in Greg.

LittleAlex · Dec 4, 2009

Why would we want Tyrus "Outlaw but with out a jumper" Thomas?

I sort of doubt getting that dude would make much difference for Portland one way or the other.

MikeDC · Dec 4, 2009

Natebishop3 said:
There's a thread over on the Chicago board talking about this. You should go check it out

Link here

axs88 · Dec 4, 2009

LittleAlex said:
Why would we want Tyrus "Outlaw but with out a jumper" Thomas?

I sort of doubt getting that dude would make much difference for Portland one way or the other.

Obviously not for his offense. But it's funny you would mention he's Outlaw without a jumper: he shoots at a .447 FG% and .511 TS% (Outlaw: .443 FG%, .512 TS%). Anyway, he's significantly better than Outlaw in terms of rebounding and shot blocking (5.1 BLK% and 14.2 TRB% as opposed to Outlaw's 2.7 BLK% and 9.4 TRB%).

RR7 · Dec 4, 2009

His shooting percentages might be the same, but that doesn't say anything abot his jump shot. Looking at last season, 45% of his shts were from inside, compared to 19% for Outlaw.

axs88 · Dec 4, 2009

RR7 said:
His shooting percentages might be the same, but that doesn't say anything abot his jump shot. Looking at last season, 45% of his shts were from inside, compared to 19% for Outlaw.

Ha. I look at that as a positive. You prefer Outlaw, no big deal, I'm not gonna laugh at you.

RR7 · Dec 4, 2009

Sure, it's a positive he takes the ball inside. But showing shooting stats doesn't do anything to disprove the description of Thomas as Outlaw without a jump shot. He's not a good shooter.

To the topic, I'm not a fan of his at all. I think we cna use a hustle guy like him as our backup PF, but would prefer one with a little something going on between the ears.

axs88 · Dec 4, 2009

RR7 said:
Sure, it's a positive he takes the ball inside. But showing shooting stats doesn't do anything to disprove the description of Thomas as Outlaw without a jump shot. He's not a good shooter.

To the topic, I'm not a fan of his at all. I think we cna use a hustle guy like him as our backup PF, but would prefer one with a little something going on between the ears.

I showed that he's about as effective an offensive player in terms of scoring, while being a superior rebounder and shot blocker, which is important since we are talking about the backup 4 spot when Batum comes back.

Minstrel · Dec 4, 2009

I think Outlaw is a good reserve, but I'd much rather have Thomas. His rebounding actually gives him similar productive value to Outlaw's scoring ability, plus Thomas actually provides some excellent help defense (and better man defense than Outlaw).

Thomas is only a "bust" relative to his draft position...he's actually become a solid player and has real value. If Portland could acquire him for expirings like Outlaw and Blake, great. I can't see why Chicago does that. If it could be expanded, like to an Outlaw/Blake/Bayless/Fernandez for Thomas/Hinrich/Deng deal, I think that would fix a lot of things for Portland. I have no idea if that works by the CBA, though, and it would depend heavily on Chicago wanting to ditch salary.

Shapecity · Dec 4, 2009

Wheels said:
maybe we can offer them LMA

Well played.

LittleAlex · Dec 4, 2009

axs88 said:
Obviously not for his offense. But it's funny you would mention he's Outlaw without a jumper: he shoots at a .447 FG% and .511 TS% (Outlaw: .443 FG%, .512 TS%). Anyway, he's significantly better than Outlaw in terms of rebounding and shot blocking (5.1 BLK% and 14.2 TRB% as opposed to Outlaw's 2.7 BLK% and 9.4 TRB%).

IIRC Tyrus's attitude has been less then awesome on the Bulls with most of his grouching coming from playing time. I kind of think he will face the same problems here if not more so.

I don't know for certain since I don't really follow the Bulls that much. I just remember the sinking feeling I had in my gut when Portland drafted him. I also remember how happy I was when they traded him away.

Once again, Portland already has a guy with an inflated sense of his own abilities named Outlaw. I don't think Portland needs another dude like that.

If he came with other players who actually filled a Portland need then great. But a trade just for him would be a mistake.

MikeDC · Dec 6, 2009

How do we feel about this in light of Oden's unfortunate injury?

Would a Tyrus for Blake+Rudy deal merit any consideration (I'd assume a couple weeks down the road when Tyrus returns to the court)?

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