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I think it may be time for a trade or a release Meyers thread. I was onboard with giving him this year but I just can't stand seeing him on the floor! As hard as it is to believe he looks worse than last year, what a horrible pick
 
No point trading him when his value is at its lowest. And it's not like there are any Cs on waiver we could pick up that are far superior. My suggestion is to just send him to Boise once Joel returns.
 
Geeze, how easily some of you quit on players and the team.

I still see a very athletic project player. I'd like to see him sent to the D league for a while and maybe see if we can get an actual bigs coach to give him better help.

If, after 4 years he hasn't become much of a player, then let him go.
 
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What is to be gained by cutting him? Send him to the D League and teach him to play the position his height says he should play.
 
I'm not giving up on him. He's young and he's 7-1. He got abused by D-12, but there's no shame in that.
 
tlongII said:
I'm not giving up on him. He's young and he's 7-1. He got abused by D-12, but there's no shame in that.
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The shame is not just not improving, but regressing from year one to year two
 
I think I'll save this thread along with "The official let's DUMP FREELAND" thread from last year.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
Geeze, how easily some of you quit on players and the team.

I still see a very athletic project player. I'd like to see him sent to the D league for a while and maybe see if we can get an actual bigs coach to give him better help.

If, after 4 years he hasn't become much of a player, then let him go.
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It's nothing personal, but the dude can't play and it isn't going to change. I know, I know, I'm not being fair and giving him enough time, blah, blah, blah. He can have all of the physical attributes of an NBA center, but without the stuff between the ears it's never going to happen and that stuff between the ears can't be learned or taught at this late stage of his development.
 
e_blazer said:
I think I'll save this thread along with "The official let's DUMP FREELAND" thread from last year.
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I pointed out in the game thread that what Leonard needs is a mindset that Joel displayed this summer. Joel passed on the national team to work on his NBA game. It looks like Leonard spent his summer playing with his money going all GQ with his look. Leonard is young. He can add muscle and once/if the game slows down for him, he can be effective. But it's going to take a lot work on Meyers part and a lot of patience by the coaching staff.
 
Have we ever given thought that our big man coaching is not that great? Who's that guy we have from the Clips? Kim Hughes?

He should have shut down Leonard's attempts to practice three pointers from the beginning.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I pointed out in the game thread that what Leonard needs is a mindset that Joel displayed this summer. Joel passed on the national team to work on his NBA game. It looks like Leonard spent his summer playing with his money going all GQ with his look. Leonard is young. He can add muscle and once/if the game slows down for him, he can be effective. But it's going to take a lot work on Meyers part and a lot of patience by the coaching staff.
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Myers biggest sin is that he's not tough. He plays like he's 6'3" - Andrea Bargnani without the skill.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Have we ever given thought that our big man coaching is not that great? Who's that guy we have from the Clips? Kim Hughes?

He should have shut down Leonard's attempts to practice three pointers from the beginning.
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This isn't a coaching error this is a scouting error. Guy can't play center and will never be a player.

We all just need to remember that there's a reason he was available when we were picking - he was a long-shot coming out of school; a low probability prospect that didn't pan out (something that happens all the time in the NBA).
 
Nikolokolus said:
Myers biggest sin is that he's not tough. He plays like he's 6'3" - Andrea Bargnani without the skill.
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I agree . . and see your point about he might be hopeless.

It's hard to stand behind Meyers now (and I was extremely harsh on the Blazers about the pick). But I think toughness is something that can be learned, especially with him being so young.

Robin pretty tough these days? Has he always been. I know he sucked early in his career but maybe he has always enjoyed contact. Anyways, we all are probably hoping I am right but I admit I'm being a homer about Leonard these days.
 
And where is Zags now. He is so quick to point out when he predicted a college player was going to be good and he must of told people that questioned the Leonard pick a dozen times that we should be ready to eat crow.

I need you now Zags . . . somehow I'm on the Leonard has hope bandwagon. :)
 
Remember - the guy isn't even 22 yet.

He just needs to be in the dleague for a year or so, out of the NBA cycle that may allow him to coast.
 
Nikolokolus said:
This isn't a coaching error this is a scouting error. Guy can't play center and will never be a player.
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IDK, man. When was the last time we saw/heard of a coach battling Leonard with those huge foam gloves in the post, like we saw daily with Kanales/Bayno and LA? All we see are practice and warmup videos of Hughes or a ball boy rebounding jumpshots for Leonard/TRob/Freeland.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I agree . . and see your point about he might be hopeless.

It's hard to stand behind Meyers now (and I was extremely harsh on the Blazers about the pick). But I think toughness is something that can be learned, especially with him being so young.

Robin pretty tough these days? Has he always been. I know he sucked early in his career but maybe he has always enjoyed contact. Anyways, we all are probably hoping I am right but I admit I'm being a homer about Leonard these days.
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I could not possibly disagree more with that bolded bit ... especially as it pertains to adults. If Meyers were ten years old and a pussy it might be possible to rewire him, but as someone who wrestled from the age of 10 until I was a senior in high school I feel confident in saying that toughness and "nastiness" (i.e. a willingness to fight and seek confrontation) is pretty much hard-wired into you by about age 12 or so.

As for Lopez I think his biggest liability coming into the league was lack of fluidity and skill. I don't know if he was "tough" or not, but I think he's always been comfortable with fitting into the role of a defensive minded center.
 
yuyuza1 said:
IDK, man. When was the last time we saw/heard of a coach battling Leonard with those huge foam gloves in the post, like we saw daily with Kanales/Bayno and LA? All we see are practice and warmup videos of Hughes or a ball boy rebounding jumpshots for Leonard/TRob/Freeland.
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It really won't make much of a difference. I swear.

No biggie. Leonard was a long-shot that was probably worth gambling on, but it didn't pan out. It's fine to admit it and move on. At least we have Lopez and aren't depending on him.
 
tlongII said:
I'm not giving up on him. He's young and he's 7-1. He got abused by D-12, but there's no shame in that.
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It wasn't getting abused. It was actually not even following basic fundamentals. There wasn't much D-12 did to warrant such piss poor performance.
 
Nikolokolus said:
It's nothing personal, but the dude can't play and it isn't going to change. I know, I know, I'm not being fair and giving him enough time, blah, blah, blah. He can have all of the physical attributes of an NBA center, but without the stuff between the ears it's never going to happen and that stuff between the ears can't be learned or taught at this late stage of his development.
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Insert Qyntel Woods as example
 
I want to give up on him, but realize that there are a few guys like Deandre Jordan and Jermaine scattered in the mix for every Cole Aldrich and Rafael Arajao.

We don't gain anything by giving up now.
 
Nikolokolus said:
It's nothing personal, but the dude can't play and it isn't going to change. I know, I know, I'm not being fair and giving him enough time, blah, blah, blah. He can have all of the physical attributes of an NBA center, but without the stuff between the ears it's never going to happen and that stuff between the ears can't be learned or taught at this late stage of his development.
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Well, thet's your 100% fan opinion.

And in the end, who kows, maybe you guessed right. But it's only been 1 year and he's young and somewhat immature. He clearly has raw talent (as opposed to some players who don't seem to have any at all). I think we need to make more of an effort to bring him along.
 
Guess I'm just special but I saw some slight improvement last night.

Whether on not the Ref's agreed he seemed to be in better position being straight up on defense.
 
I'll still hope for the best, but reminds me of Babbitt in a sense. In that, he'll show a few flashes here and there that make you think hey, maybe.....but that's all you get is a few flashes in an otherwise terrible performance. I hope I'm wrong and it turns out differently. I see no need to dump him, for reasons mentioned above, but I'm not expecting much.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
Geeze, how easily some of you quit on players and the team.
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It's not quitting if you were never with him. Like, you didn't want him drafted in the first place, cried bitter tears and vowed to do everything in your power, for the good of this team that we hold holy, to purge it of this vile excrescence. That's not quitting.
 
If we could get a second round pick in return for him I'd do it. But I'm not sure another team has any interest. I believe we already picked up his 2014-15 option? We should let his contract expire after that season just as we did with Luke Babbit's third year.
 
It would be great if a tanking team has any interest in him. He could really help a team lose. Denver has incompetent management and a desire for our flawed big men. Perhaps they would swap Andre Miller for Meyers and Barton.
 
I know that this thread is as predictable around here as farts after a bad Mexican meal, but seriously, making any assessment of Leonard based on last night is laughable. He'd played exactly one minute in the three games prior to the Houston game. Then Freeland can't go and suddenly he's pushed into playing against a front line that includes the best center in the league and another center who's probably in the top 10. Of course he got abused at times, what young center in a similar position wouldn't? Leonard is a project and he's going to take time to develop. He's got good athleticism and a nice soft shooting touch. Yeah, he's totally lost out there a lot of the time right now, bu I have to think that given time he's going to develop into at least a serviceable bench player. There aren't that many of those guys around so, hell no, I'm not of a mind to dump right now.
 
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