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cmeese47

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I believe the NBA is desperate to help the Cavs build a contender so that they can better market Kyrie Irving. So much so that they staged them winning the lottery for the 3rd time in 4 years. While this might be good news for people in Cleveland or us if they want to revisit the LA deal, I think it is another sign that nothing has changed from Stern to Silver.

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I don't think the NBA wants to continue the Cavs high picks. They have shown to be an inept front office
 
My thoughts are there is no way the lottery is rigged. The whole conspiracy theory of a rigged lottery is to get stars in large markets or to legacy teams. Cleveland certainly isn't a large market nor is it a legacy team.
 
Don't be ridiculous. It's fucking Cleveland for god's sake. Cleveland is probably the least marketable city with an NBA team. Have you ever been to Cleveland?

If I buy your assumption that the NBA wants to market Kyrie Irving as the next big thing, they'd be doing everything in their power to get him out of Cleveland ASAP. They'd be rigging the lottery against the Cavs to make sure they continue to suck so Irving would force his way out at the end of his rookie deal and head for a larger market. They'd want him on the Lakers, Knicks or Heat, or possibly the Nets, Bulls or Rockets. Those are all much bigger markets for their newly annointed one.

But, I don't buy your assumption. So it doesn't matter. The lottery drawing is a random event. So, random results, like the Cavs getting the #1 pick in 3 out of 4 years, are to be expected. If the lottery was rigged, the Lakers would have won it, or at least have gotten a top 3 pick. The fact that the Lakers got bumped down one spot convinces me that there is no way in hell this lottery was rigged. The idea that the lottery was rigged to benefit the Cavs to the detriment of the Lakers is laughable.

BNM
 
Schilly said:
My thoughts are there is no way the lottery is rigged. The whole conspiracy theory of a rigged lottery is to get stars in large markets or to legacy teams. Cleveland certainly isn't a large market nor is it a legacy team.
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Bingo, beat me to it. Cleveland is the LAST place the league would want to promote. Many more dollars to be made marketing the larger market teams.

BNM
 
There is the obvious market size aspect and there is the true nuts and bolts of it. The true nuts and bolts are this. People forget that the league offices are employees of the owners, not the other way around. Yes the commissioner is empowered to find owners but he is empowered by his contact not by being higher ranked. In addition the lottery is always overseen and witnessed by a dig time financial firm, this year it was Ernst and Young, the backfire on that firm if it came out the NBA lottery was rigged would be a shit storm of fraud claims and and suits. Now firm will allow themselves to be a part of that. The NBA isn't bank rolling them enough for that risk.

So in order for the conspiracy to work all 30 teams would have to be in agreement to it and a financial firm would have to be willing to sacrifice their reputation.
 
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cmeese47 said:
I believe the NBA is desperate to help the Cavs build a contender so that they can better market Kyrie Irving. So much so that they staged them winning the lottery for the 3rd time in 4 years. While this might be good news for people in Cleveland or us if they want to revisit the LA deal, I think it is another sign that nothing has changed from Stern to Silver.

Thoughts?
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The NBA doesn't give 2 shits about that ugly city and lowly franchise.
 
I'll believe this if the Cavs trade their pick to the Lakers for Gasol.
 
If you think the lottery is rigged, you simply haven't done your homework on the details of lottery process.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I'll believe this if the Cavs trade their pick to the Lakers for Gasol.
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No, it'd be rigged if the Cavs traded their pick PLUS Irving to the Lakers for Gasol, Nash and the Lakers pick.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Don't be ridiculous. It's fucking Cleveland for god's sake. Cleveland is probably the least marketable city with an NBA team. Have you ever been to Cleveland?

If I buy your assumption that the NBA wants to market Kyrie Irving as the next big thing, they'd be doing everything in their power to get him out of Cleveland ASAP. They'd be rigging the lottery against the Cavs to make sure they continue to suck so Irving would force his way out at the end of his rookie deal and head for a larger market. They'd want him on the Lakers, Knicks or Heat, or possibly the Nets, Bulls or Rockets. Those are all much bigger markets for their newly annointed one.

But, I don't buy your assumption. So it doesn't matter. The lottery drawing is a random event. So, random results, like the Cavs getting the #1 pick in 3 out of 4 years, are to be expected. If the lottery was rigged, the Lakers would have won it, or at least have gotten a top 3 pick. The fact that the Lakers got bumped down one spot convinces me that there is no way in hell this lottery was rigged. The idea that the lottery was rigged to benefit the Cavs to the detriment of the Lakers is laughable.

BNM
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The NBA is desperate for rivalries Cleveland vs Miami is a natural one considering the Lebron situation. Helping Kyrie and Cleveland become contenders will draw in fans. The Heat have become similar to the Lakers in that people love them cause they are bandwagon fans or they hate Lebron and Miami and watch for them to lose. Kyrie and Cleveland competing against Lebron is a big money story.
 
Schilly said:
There is the obvious market size aspect and there is the true nuts and bolts of it. The true nuts and bolts are this. People forget that the league offices are employees of the owners, not the other way around. Yes the commissioner is empowered to find owners but he is empowered by his contact not by being higher ranked. In addition the lottery is always overseen and witnessed by a dig time financial firm, this year it was Ernst and Young, the backfire on that firm if it came out the NBA lottery was rigged would be a shit storm of fraud claims and and suits. Now firm will allow themselves to be a part of that. The NBA isn't bank rolling them enough for that risk.

So in order for the conspiracy to work all 30 teams would have to be in agreement to it and a financial firm would have to be willing to sacrifice their reputation.
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A shit storm really they had a referee admit to fixing games and saw him arrested by the FBI. They are more popular than ever. I doubt the fear of a scandal would be much of a deterant.
 
1. Cleveland
2. Milwaukee
3. Philadelphia
4. Orlando
5. Utah
6. Boston
7. Los Angeles Lakers
8. Sacramento
9. Charlotte
10. Philadelphia
11. Denver
12. Orlando
13. Minnesota
14. Phoenix
15. Atlanta
16. Chicago (From Charlotte)
17. Boston (From Brooklyn)
18. Phoenix
19. Chicago
20. Toronto
21. Oklahoma City (From Dallas via Houston and Los Angeles Lakers)
22. Memphis
23. Utah (From Golden State)
24. Charlotte (From Portland)
25. Houston
26. Miami
27. Indiana (From Indiana)
 
Boston and the Lakers are the only big market teams, and they both dropped a spot in pick order. No, I don't think it's rigged.

PS HOORAY for not much to worry about in the West from the lottery.
 
cmeese47 said:
A shit storm really they had a referee admit to fixing games and saw him arrested by the FBI. They are more popular than ever. I doubt the fear of a scandal would be much of a deterant.
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You reading skills are lacking. The shit storm I mentioned would be wall street related when one of their biggest players, the investment firm, gets caught up in fraud.

Also to assume the fact a referee that was busted for fixing games, he was gambling on personally BTW, was doing so with league approval or directive is flat out asinine.
 
Not anymore? The Ewing lottery was pretty fishy.
 
I don't think it was rigged either. Poorly conceived methodology but it was the 1st lotto. The frozen card, the bent corner. The fact that there are more than one theory as to how has to make a person consider that all it is is a theory.
 
If the Lakers or Celtics got the first pick, then yes.

If somehow a big name player magically falls to either of them in the draft (Parker, Exum, Embiid) then Yes.

As of right now, it's an easy no. And that's coming from someone that often thinks the NBA is rigged as a whole.
 
Schilly said:
I don't think it was rigged either. Poorly conceived methodology but it was the 1st lotto. The frozen card, the bent corner. The fact that there are more than one theory as to how has to make a person consider that all it is is a theory.
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So you must not have heard that the Ewing lottery envelopes were delivered by a Grey Alien who flew in on a black helicopter then? Figures.
 
Of course the lottery is not rigged with the way they do it now. But even if it was .....there are no obvious franchise changing players in this draft to rig it for. There are plenty of good players, but no one who is going to lead a bad team to the playoffs in his first year.

This lottery is a great example of why you do not trade a star player before the season starts for what you think will be a high draft pick. You never really know which ping pong ball you are going to get, and you never really know which young star truly develops into the player you thought. Lot of question marks for these kids. I am sure some of them will tum out to be stars, but do we really know which ones?
 
It cracks me up that, no matter what team wins, somebody claims it's evidence of the lottery being rigged. Cleveland? LOL! Frickin' Cleveland? Yeah, because it would make the league so much more money to have Cleveland succeed in rebuilding into a contender instead of, say, the Lakers or Celtics.
 
Milwaukee at 2 rather fishy. They must be trying to market... wait who is on Milwaukee again?
 
Anthony Bennett? :) lol it aint rigged.
 
Imo the only way to provide it's not rigged this year would have been to give blazers #1.
 
cmeese47 said:
The NBA is desperate for rivalries Cleveland vs Miami is a natural one considering the Lebron situation. Helping Kyrie and Cleveland become contenders will draw in fans. The Heat have become similar to the Lakers in that people love them cause they are bandwagon fans or they hate Lebron and Miami and watch for them to lose. Kyrie and Cleveland competing against Lebron is a big money story.
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Again, you're talking about CLEVELAND. Miami/Brooklyn is a MUCH better rivalry. Bigger market and an owner with deep enough pockets to throw around multiple max. contract players. A Lakers/Miami finals would make the NBA WAY more money than a Cleveland/Miami Eastern Conference match-up. The #1 pick going to any of LAL, NYK, BOS, MIA, BRK, HOU, CHI would all make the NBA WAY more money than sending yet another #1 to Cleveland.

I mean really, it's Cleveland. Nobody outside of Cleveland, and 90% of the people inside, don't give a fuck about Cleveland.

BNM
 
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