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He would fit in great here.

Seems like he's aging and been around forever, but he's only 27 and in just his 7th year. He'd fit right in with CJ and Dame. A legit 3rd option. Some analytics/stats suggest his defense has declined over the past year or so but he is still an excellent rim protector - was in the top 5 last season.

Would help with spacing in the half court, a solid P&R option. Not sure what the Magic would want for him, but he is set to be a UFA i believe so surely they can't expect anything outrageous considering he may just be a rental for a team.
 
Out of all the trade ideas and scenarios i have seen this one makes the most sense. I don't think we would have to give up Dame or CJ either. Magic want young players/draft picks. Send them Crabbe, Aminu, and/or picks.
 
Trick them into taking Meyers.

When that doesn't work give them Noah, Allen, CLEV 1st

Also get Hesonja

Or just give them a 2nd rounder like when we got Harkless for nothing.
 
A$AP Meyers said:
Magic want young players/draft picks. Send them Crabbe, Aminu, and/or picks.
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I made the joke earlier, but presumably they want good young players, not just random young players. Crabbe is not only not very good, he's also paid an enormous amount.

This is always the problem in envisioning trades for good/great players--the only serious trade assets the Blazers have are Lillard, McCollum and their own first-round pick. Cleveland's first-round pick and Harkless are decent fillers, too.

So if you take Lillard and McCollum off the table (which you would for someone like Ibaka), there really isn't much to offer. You could offer Portland's pick and Cleveland's pick, but you also have to match salary and the only salary Portland can offer that Orlando would want is Ezeli's, which doesn't cover Ibaka's salary. Players like Crabbe, Leonard and Turner are negative trade assets at their salary. Vonleh is nothing special--he hasn't improved enough since being drafted to be considered a serious prospect.
 
Minstrel said:
I made the joke earlier, but presumably they want good young players, not just random young players. Crabbe is not only not very good, he's also paid an enormous amount.

This is always the problem in envisioning trades for good/great players--the only serious trade assets the Blazers have are Lillard, McCollum and their own first-round pick. Cleveland's first-round pick and Harkless are decent fillers, too.

So if you take Lillard and McCollum off the table (which you would for someone like Ibaka), there really isn't much to offer. You could offer Portland's pick and Cleveland's pick, but you also have to match salary and the only salary Portland can offer that Orlando would want is Ezeli's, which doesn't cover Ibaka's salary. Players like Crabbe, Leonard and Turner are negative trade assets at their salary. Vonleh is nothing special--he hasn't improved enough since being drafted to be considered a serious prospect.
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You do realize this is the same team that gave us Harkless for a second round pick? And traded Oladipo/lottery pick for the guy that they're now giving away for probably less value.
 
Crabbe, a guy and pick. Do it now. They really need a legit 3pt shooter and we need ibaka.
 
Please Please Please

I'm thinking Harkless, Vonleh, and Cleveland's pick
 
Damian/CJ/Ibaka would honestly be fantastic. If this were to happen my outlook on the future would do a complete 180. True rim protection and a big who could lighten Damian/CJ's workload. Make it f****** happen Neil!
 
A$AP Meyers said:
Damian/CJ/Ibaka would honestly be fantastic. If this were to happen my outlook on the future would do a complete 180. True rim protection and a big who could lighten Damian/CJ's workload. Make it f****** happen Neil!
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Trade CJ for either Jimmy Butler or Hassan Whiteside and you've got a deal.
 
Is there anyway we could get Ibaka and Brook Lopez while keeping Dame and CJ? That would be awesome.

Two three point shooting bigs (PF and C)
Ones a rim protector, ones a low post scorer
 
Natebishop3 said:
You do realize this is the same team that gave us Harkless for a second round pick? And traded Oladipo/lottery pick for the guy that they're now giving away for probably less value.
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Harkless' value increased a bunch this year by adding a three-point shot he hadn't shown much previously. But yeah, they've made a couple weak trades lately--the Oladipo trade and the Tobias Harris trade especially. That doesn't mean you should expect free goodies, though. I think it's especially unlikely that they'll unload Ibaka for garbage because they traded Oladipo for him. They're going to want to save some face.
 
Minstrel said:
Harkless' value increased a bunch this year by adding a three-point shot he hadn't shown much previously. But yeah, they've made a couple weak trades lately--the Oladipo trade and the Tobias Harris trade especially. That doesn't mean you should expect free goodies, though. I think it's especially unlikely that they'll unload Ibaka for garbage because they traded Oladipo for him. They're going to want to save some face.
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Not saying "free" goodies... per se..... but discounted goodies maybe? He's a UFA after this season, and he's going to get a lot of money.
 
I'm just going to say it.....Mason is on a contract year....for Ibaka...I'd have to trade him. Throw in a project or role player and it'd be real tempting
 
Natebishop3 said:
Not saying "free" goodies... per se..... but discounted goodies maybe? He's a UFA after this season, and he's going to get a lot of money.
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I think with Portland, they'd want something like this, with Cleveland's pick and Portland's pick.

Portland's pick would probably become less valuable if they acquired Ibaka, because the team would do better. That said, it would be a huge gamble--if Olshey can keep Ibaka long-term, it's okay and probably one of the few ways Portland adds a quality third piece. But if Ibaka leaves in free agency, that's a big waste of a mid-round pick in a strong draft.
 
Minstrel said:
I think with Portland, they'd want something like this, with Cleveland's pick and Portland's pick.

Portland's pick would probably become less valuable if they acquired Ibaka, because the team would do better. That said, it would be a huge gamble--if Olshey can keep Ibaka long-term, it's okay and probably one of the few ways Portland adds a quality third piece. But if Ibaka leaves in free agency, that's a big waste of a mid-round pick in a strong draft.
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I would do that trade..... and laugh that Orlando gave us Harkless for essentially nothing and he was the main piece in the trade for their prize from last summer.

And then I would turn around and try to convince either Chicago or Miami to trade us Butler or Whiteside for anyone not named Lillard.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I would do that trade..... and laugh that Orlando gave us Harkless for essentially nothing and he was the main piece in the trade for their prize from last summer.
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Yeah, that was the only thing that gave me pause--would Orlando take Harkless back, when it wouldn't look great for them? But a rational front office shouldn't let past mistakes cloud their current decisions. Harkless is a better player today then when they traded him and they get two more picks in a strong draft, without taking on any long-term salary issues, for a player about to hit free agency. It's a fair offer, I think.
 
I think ibaka is an ideal fit on the court. His game compliments Plumlee very well. The problem of course is even if he gave assurances that he'd resign, I would hesitate (post Aldridge syndrome.) and the cap savings if he ultimately did leave, just dont interest me much.
 
No way does Orlando want another below average scorer/shooter like Harkless. They would want Crabbe, or maybe even a package of picks + Layman. ibaka is a rental. Vonleh could interest them, but they want to develop Gordon at PF, so maybe not. They're not going to get equal value for Ibaka. They fucked up trading for him in the first place.
 
Harkless is significantly more valuable than Crabbe. He's in the realm of average as a three-point shooter, a solid defender and attached to a good contract. Crabbe is an excellent shooter, terrible defender and attached to an awful contract. Even in an era where shooting is a big deal, defense still matters a huge amount, which is why Anthony Morrow has never been a sought-after player.
 
Plumlee and Vucevic would be an interesting front court for Orlando....Plumlee would make Vucevic into a scoring machine
 
Looking at Orlando - they've given out some headscratching contracts. Not just Biyombo ($17+M per!) but $15M to Jeff Green? SEVENTEEN MILLION to Fournier!? (Only way they take Crabbe is if we take Fournier, and who wants that?) Over $7 M to Augustin? (Surely you can find guys like him in the D-League? Or close enough.)

They've also given up very quickly on solid young players - Harkless, Tobias Harris, Oladipo...
 
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