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If my information is correct, we'll have a drawing for picks on Friday.

<Insert Meyers Tank gif>

Our own pick: 16th or 15th pick
Memphis Pick: 20th or 19th pick
Cleveland Pick: 26th, 25th, 24th, or 23rd.

Anyone can feel free to double check these, I got them by looking at the standings.
 
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we don't get a shot at 14. Playoff teams start at 15, Since the Jazz and Raptors won and CLE lost, I think we can get all the way down to 23 if everything works out.

15/16, 19/20 and 23-26
 
we don't get a shot at 14. Playoff teams start at 15, Since the Jazz and Raptors won and CLE lost, I think we can get all the way down to 23 if everything works out.

15/16, 19/20 and 23-26
Thanks, I'll edit.
 
Doesn't the CLE pick become 30th if they win the championship?
 
Doesn't the CLE pick become 30th if they win the championship?

the draft order has always, iirc, been their finish in the regular season. It's why the warriors had the 30th pick last year and not Cleveland.
 
A bit surprising that Cleveland's pick could end up as high as #23. That would be awesome if it did.
 
Our own pick: 16th or 15th pick (between Portland and Chicago)
Memphis Pick: 20th or 19th pick (between Portland and Atlanta)
Cleveland Pick: 26th, 25th, 24th, or 23rd. (between Portland, Toronto, Utah and the LA Clippers)

Great.....a whole bunch of big market teams except for Utah. East Coast bias/large market theory has Portland picking #16, #20 and #25 or 26.
 
Our own pick: 16th or 15th pick (between Portland and Chicago)
Memphis Pick: 20th or 19th pick (between Portland and Atlanta)
Cleveland Pick: 26th, 25th, 24th, or 23rd. (between Portland, Toronto, Utah and the LA Clippers)

Great.....a whole bunch of big market teams except for Utah. East Coast bias/large market theory has Portland picking #16, #20 and #25 or 26.
I'm sure Price-Waterhouse-Coopers will ensure the integrity of the process. As long as they don't erroneously give our pick to La-La Land, we should be fine.
 
If my information is correct, we'll have a drawing for picks on Friday.

<Insert Meyers Tank gif>

Our own pick: 16th or 15th pick
Memphis Pick: 20th or 19th pick
Cleveland Pick: 26th, 25th, 24th, or 23rd.

Anyone can feel free to double check these, I got them by looking at the standings.
Which role players will we draft or trade away? I live for this shit
 
Which role players will we draft or trade away? I live for this shit
i feel like some teams might take meyers off our hands if we offer up the clevland pick to sweeten the deal. we could trade him for a towel boy or a new play by play announcer.
 
I think we trade 1 pick or pick 1 Euro though.

But some of that depends on if players we like fall...
 
i feel like some teams might take meyers off our hands if we offer up the clevland pick to sweeten the deal. we could trade him for a towel boy or a new play by play announcer.

What do you have against our current towel boy? He has a lot of upside with good size and quick hands. Conventional wisdom says it takes boys longer to develop. If we're patient, in 4 years, we could have one of the top 5 towel men in the league. We already have our towel man of the future. Let the cake bake!

BNM
 
What do you have against our current towel boy? He has a lot of upside with good size and quick hands. Conventional wisdom says it takes boys longer to develop. If we're patient, in 4 years, we could have one of the top 5 towel men in the league. We already have our towel man of the future. Let the cake bake!

BNM
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In football maybe, in the NBA the top players are much more valuable.

Which is what the author said:

Author said:
History says that the top couple of picks do create a disproportionate number of stars and win shares but beyond that the way we (the average NBA fan) think about, for example, picks 5-10 is pretty far off. There's not a HUGE difference between 6 and 14 historically but it feels like there is because of how we talk about the draft.

Since the only way we could get a top 5 pick is via trade, it's the second bolded part that is more applicable to our current situation.

I quoted your post, but the rest is really about this methodology in general, and Olshey's option in the upcoming draft.

It's nice to see someone attempt to quantify the relative value of NBA draft picks. Of course, a large portion of superstars come out of the high end of the lottery, especially the top 3 picks, but history has also shown that the rest of the draft is a crap shoot. In each and every draft, there are plenty of players chosen between 6 - 14 that are total busts, and there are future stars taken between 15 - 30 (and often the second round, as well).

So, what he concludes makes sense, you're better off to have three picks between 15 - 30 than one pick in the 6 - 14 range. It's a numbers game. Given that historically, the odds of hitting a home run (aka: getting a superstar) between 6 - 14 isn't much better than hitting a home run between 15 - 20, you're better off with three chances to hit one out than one chance. With three picks, you also improve your odds of getting a double (future starter) and a single (role player) or two.

In any case, just looking at the numbers in the chart makes me wonder if Neil has a similar philosophy. Remember in his interview after the Nurk trade he said he just didn't see much difference between picking 10th vs. picking 15th in this draft? Well, whether or not he had a similar draft table, t's worked out exceptionally well for him.

Trading for Nurk killed our tanking effort, but it didn't really hurt our draft prospects as much as the pro tank faction would like to believe. Why, because that additional draft pick we got from DEN effectively offsets our own pick dropping out of the lottery. If he had not made that trade, at the time, it was looking like we would be picking in the 10 - 12 range. But, like us, several other teams, particularly in the Eastern Conference, made late season play off pushes. If we had not made the trade and continued on our current, at the time, trajectory, we would have drafted no better than 8th (we would have tied DAL for the 9th worst record, so likely drafting 9th or 10th).

His math might not be perfect, but assuming we end up with something like 15th, 20th and 27th, that's just as good, according to the table, as having the 8th pick. Plus we still have the option to bundle picks to move up, if we desire. Olshey got us our 3rd piece in Nurk, plus managed to preserve our draft value, while adding flexibility. That trade wasn't just a home run, it was a grand slam.

The quoted article was from 2015, so the author only used data up to 2010, so he'd have a complete five year data set to work with. The drafts since 2010 have not just reinforced his conclusions, they have strengthened them. Just look at the 2016 draft. If you sort the 2016 draft by WS, you will see that 4 of the top 5 players were taken outside of the lottery:

2016_Draft_WS.jpg

Now go back to the 2013 draft and do the same thing:

2013_Draft_WS.jpg

Or better still, sort by VORP:

2013_Draft_VORP.jpg

If you had had the 15th, 21st and 27th picks in the 2013 you could presently have a starting front court of Rudy Gobert at center, Gorgui Dieng at PF and Giannis Antetokounmpo at SF. I'm not saying Olshey will hit a similar trifecta in the 2017 draft, it is after all still a crap shoot, but even if he just goes 1 for 3, it could really help our team going forward.

BNM
 
Which role players will we draft or trade away? I live for this shit
Will spend way too much time worrying about it later, but there are definitely prospects I like. I don't watch college bball, just the tourney and reading draft reports. On my radar right now...
Bam Adebayo, Justin Jackson.
 
If you had had the 15th, 21st and 27th picks in the 2013 you could presently have a starting front court of Rudy Gobert at center, Gorgui Dieng at PF and Giannis Antetokounmpo at SF. I'm not saying Olshey will hit a similar trifecta in the 2017 draft, it is after all still a crap shoot, but even if he just goes 1 for 3, it could really help our team going forward.

BNM

Looking at Olshey's picks, all three rank higher than their pick in the draft (and eventually CJ will be a top 5 of that draft); that makes me hopeful he can hit a home run given enough swings.
 
Will spend way too much time worrying about it later, but there are definitely prospects I like. I don't watch college bball, just the tourney and reading draft reports. On my radar right now...
Bam Adebayo, Justin Jackson.

I'd be fine going for Caleb Swanigan with the CLE pick. His freshman numbers were similar to Vonleh's, as are his physical measurements, but he really improved his sophomore year. He reminds me of Paul Millsap, another player we should have drafted late in the first round when we had the chance. He could push Vonleh in practice, and at the very least, give us a decent back up power forward.

BNM
 
I'd be fine going for Caleb Swanigan with the CLE pick. His freshman numbers were similar to Vonleh's, as are his physical measurements, but he really improved his sophomore year. He reminds me of Paul Millsap, another player we should have drafted late in the first round when we had the chance. He could push Vonleh in practice, and at the very least, give us a decent back up power forward.

BNM
What's your take on Bam?
 

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