Swanigan is the Best Big in CBB (Ringer - 1/17)

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For those who aren't sure what to think of our 26th pick, give the article a read and watch the clips included. Swanigan is EVERYTHING we've been missing from our big men. His defense needs to improve, but the dude has skills that are proven to translate to the NBA from college (effort, rebounding, shooting, etc.)

He never stops moving, which puts an absurd amount of stress on Wisconsin’s defense. And best of all, although Purdue’s Dakota Mathias sinks his shot, Swanigan puts himself in perfect position to grab the offensive rebound in case he doesn’t. This is Swanigan every time down the floor of every game. He’s like a living, breathing instruction manual on how young big men should approach the sport.
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https://theringer.com/caleb-swanigan-purdue-boilermakers-college-basketball-825f665c2969
 
The more I read about Swanigan the more I'm convinced he's going to be the steal of the draft. His motor and attitude are top notch, I have a good feeling Dame is going to latch on to him real quick.

I love the fact that he gets his jumpshot off quick but more importantly it goes in! His defense definitely needs work but he's 20 years old and has time to learn. He should take Leonard's rotation spot from the beginning.
 
Not really convinced by this article and videos. They show him getting a offensive rebound where the other team seems to have no interest in blocking out; then a defensive rebound where two of his teammates do a great job of blocking out, leaving a clear path for him. And then the writer refers to his subpar defense, and we are talking about a college game.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Not really convinced by this article and videos. They show him getting a offensive rebound where the other team seems to have no interest in blocking out; then a defensive rebound where two of his teammates do a great job of blocking out, leaving a clear path for him. And then the writer refers to his subpar defense, and we are talking about a college game.
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Just one thing about his college career. The Big 10 is usually the best conference in college BB (Top to Bottom.) He was up against a good team pretty much every week. Not saying he is going to be a defense wizard, but to be POY in that league at his age means something.
 
ripcityboy said:
Just one thing about his college career. The Big 10 is usually the best conference in college BB (Top to Bottom.) He was up against a good team pretty much every week. Not saying he is going to be a defense wizard, but to be POY in that league at his age means something.
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And after his freshman year, people told him he was overweight, not athletic enough, his shot was lacking, his speed was weak.... And he came back and improved on it all.
 
Tim Tebow is known as one of the best college QBs in college football history. It's how his skill set will translate to the next level. He'll be able to rebound because that always translates, but he doesn't seem athletic enough to play defense or really much else.

I want him to succeed, but I'm concerned he's a dinosaur
 
Mediocre Man said:
Tim Tebow is known as one of the best college QBs in college football history. It's how his skill set will translate to the next level. He'll be able to rebound because that always translates, but he doesn't seem athletic enough to play defense or really much else.

I want him to succeed, but I'm concerned he's a dinosaur
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I keep thinking Dejuan Blair for a comparison.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's how his skill set will translate to the next level. He'll be able to rebound because that always translates, but he doesn't seem athletic enough to play defense or really much else.

I want him to succeed, but I'm concerned he's a dinosaur
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No one will argue with you that there are question marks with Swanigan.
I will just say Bell has some of those same question marks.
Only difference between the two really is the battle with obesity, and shooting ability.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Tim Tebow is known as one of the best college QBs in college football history. It's how his skill set will translate to the next level. He'll be able to rebound because that always translates, but he doesn't seem athletic enough to play defense or really much else.

I want him to succeed, but I'm concerned he's a dinosaur
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I think his floor is Jared Sullinger and he could be somewhat close to a Boris Diaw type or perhaps at best a watered down Kevin Love
 
Sorry to burst your bubble but this guy is not a steal at all. These are facts about Swanigan so don't get your hopes up.
I knew pretty much nothing about this guy. So i decided to do some real looking into him. What i found is not good. Not good at all.

Yes he overcame adversity and obesity. So there is some hope he can continue to work hard to grow. The obesity problem does worry me. We had another guy that had weight problems named Kevin Duckworth. The difference was Duck was 7 foot tall. This guy is does not have the same body. (6'-9"). The Good is he has some strength and a pretty good wing span at 7'-3". That is about it for physical attributes.

He is a good shooter. Again this can always come in handy for a small ball type center. He will have to play center as he doesn't have the foot speed or mobility to guard the 4. He also lacks athletic ability. This kid is pretty much a stump that can shoot. He lacks quickness also. So he won't be making up for lack of overall speed with quick hands and feet to get to position. His vertical jump is 29 inches.... Very underwhelming i know 50+ year olds that can jump better. So don't think that wing span is going to help in the shot blocking area.

At this point i'm wondering if he even makes the team???

He scores well around the rim but does not really get offensive rebounds and put backs because he gets beat on the second jump but he is a good rebounder on the defensive side. We see Ed Davis get those hard work points. This kid will not have a motor like that. He also seems to have a turnover problem. turnover rate is 4.1 in 40 mins because he doesn't have real ball handling abilities. He will not create a shot at all and doesn't back a man down in the post. He will look for an open jumper or pass. two dimensional offense leads to turnovers in the NBA. They will eat him alive.

This is pretty much the story on the guy "Caleb Swanigan certainly has some limitations from a physical and athletic perspective, but given the strides he has made, and the commitment he has shown to improving his body and skill level, it would not be surprising to see him continue to develop at the professional level. He is not going to be the modern-day rim protector and pick and roll threat that a lot of teams are seeking at the 5, but he will bring a different skill set to a team as a hardworking, physical presence, with a potentially consistent inside and out offensive game. Having just turned 20 in April, he is fairly young for a sophomore and has the potential to develop into a unique NBA player. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Caleb-Swanigan-71578/ ©DraftExpress



Drafting a guy at that spot that has put forth the effort he has might pay off. But this is a huge "Maybe". As much as he has overcome i will be pulling for him to continue to succeed. But giving this guy a spot on this roster is going to take him working his tail off.
 
kjironman1 said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but this guy is not a steal at all. These are facts about Swanigan so don't get your hopes up.
I knew pretty much nothing about this guy. So i decided to do some real looking into him. What i found is not good. Not good at all.

Yes he overcame adversity and obesity. So there is some hope he can continue to work hard to grow. The obesity problem does worry me. We had another guy that had weight problems named Kevin Duckworth. The difference was Duck was 7 foot tall. This guy is does not have the same body. (6'-9"). The Good is he has some strength and a pretty good wing span at 7'-3". That is about it for physical attributes.

He is a good shooter. Again this can always come in handy for a small ball type center. He will have to play center as he doesn't have the foot speed or mobility to guard the 4. He also lacks athletic ability. This kid is pretty much a stump that can shoot. He lacks quickness also. So he won't be making up for lack of overall speed with quick hands and feet to get to position. His vertical jump is 29 inches.... Very underwhelming i know 50+ year olds that can jump better. So don't think that wing span is going to help in the shot blocking area.

At this point i'm wondering if he even makes the team???

He scores well around the rim but does not really get offensive rebounds and put backs because he gets beat on the second jump but he is a good rebounder on the defensive side. We see Ed Davis get those hard work points. This kid will not have a motor like that. He also seems to have a turnover problem. turnover rate is 4.1 in 40 mins because he doesn't have real ball handling abilities. He will not create a shot at all and doesn't back a man down in the post. He will look for an open jumper or pass. two dimensional offense leads to turnovers in the NBA. They will eat him alive.

This is pretty much the story on the guy "Caleb Swanigan certainly has some limitations from a physical and athletic perspective, but given the strides he has made, and the commitment he has shown to improving his body and skill level, it would not be surprising to see him continue to develop at the professional level. He is not going to be the modern-day rim protector and pick and roll threat that a lot of teams are seeking at the 5, but he will bring a different skill set to a team as a hardworking, physical presence, with a potentially consistent inside and out offensive game. Having just turned 20 in April, he is fairly young for a sophomore and has the potential to develop into a unique NBA player. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Caleb-Swanigan-71578/ ©DraftExpress



Drafting a guy at that spot that has put forth the effort he has might pay off. But this is a huge "Maybe". As much as he has overcome i will be pulling for him to continue to succeed. But giving this guy a spot on this roster is going to take him working his tail off.
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Wasn't there a report about there being a heart murmur or something with Swanigans?
 
kjironman1 said:
He will have to play center
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I watched a lot of film on this guy for two days and sorry....I disagree completely with this....he plays below the rim...is quicker in my view than you suggest and is an elite rebounder...sure he has to have the game slow down but he's not a 5 or anything like Duckworth and he's never put weight back on since the 8th grade...ballooning weight is not a problem he's struggling with at all...he's lost weight every year of his adult life. I do agree he won't crack the rotation first year but don't sense any of the flags you've put up about him...film I watched had him passing really well. His wingspan is pretty impressive for a 6'9 guy....I don't think either of our rookies will be starting anytime soon
 
riverman said:
I watched a lot of film on this guy for two days and sorry....I disagree completely with this....he plays below the rim...is quicker in my view than you suggest and is an elite rebounder...sure he has to have the game slow down but he's not a 5 or anything like Duckworth and he's never put weight back on since the 8th grade...ballooning weight is not a problem he's struggling with at all...he's lost weight every year of his adult life. I do agree he won't crack the rotation first year but don't sense any of the flags you've put up about him...film I watched had him passing really well. His wingspan is pretty impressive for a 6'9 guy....I don't think either of our rookies will be starting anytime soon
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My point was he is nothing at all like Duckworth because he isn't 7 foot tall.
He will not see the floor as a PF in the NBA because he is way too slow and cannot jump. The only thing he is suited for in the NBA is maybe small ball center. But even that is questionable if he can't show better quickness and some defensive improvement. I wonder if he will even see the floor at all.
 
riverman said:
I watched a lot of film on this guy for two days and sorry....I disagree completely with this....he plays below the rim...is quicker in my view than you suggest and is an elite rebounder...sure he has to have the game slow down but he's not a 5 or anything like Duckworth and he's never put weight back on since the 8th grade...ballooning weight is not a problem he's struggling with at all...he's lost weight every year of his adult life. I do agree he won't crack the rotation first year but don't sense any of the flags you've put up about him...film I watched had him passing really well. His wingspan is pretty impressive for a 6'9 guy....I don't think either of our rookies will be starting anytime soon
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agree on the weight and I just read earlier today he has lost additional weight since the tourney ended, I think athleticism often gets over touted and skill/effort/b ball IQ are often underrated, rebounding translated very well from college to pros and this guy can shoot, we'k see about the rest
 
kjironman1 said:
My point was he is nothing at all like Duckworth because he isn't 7 foot tall.
He will not see the floor as a PF in the NBA because he is way too slow and cannot jump. The only thing he is suited for in the NBA is maybe small ball center. But even that is questionable if he can't show better quickness and some defensive improvement. I wonder if he will even see the floor at all.
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Kevin Love seems to work and he's a lousy defender and slow afoot, but he has skills and can rebound and shoot, lets give the guy a chance before you write him off
 
Meyers Leonard has faster better footwork than Swanigan.
 
kjironman1 said:
My point was he is nothing at all like Duckworth because he isn't 7 foot tall.
He will not see the floor as a PF in the NBA because he is way too slow and cannot jump. The only thing he is suited for in the NBA is maybe small ball center. But even that is questionable if he can't show better quickness and some defensive improvement. I wonder if he will even see the floor at all.
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Don't get this impression at all....sorry...a guy who can shoot like him and pass like him will be able to play the 4.....I think you're exaggerating rookie defensive liabilities that all rookies come into the league with...he'll improve defensively because he's a work horse....his work ethic impresses me at least.
 
kjironman1 said:
My point was he is nothing at all like Duckworth because he isn't 7 foot tall.
He will not see the floor as a PF in the NBA because he is way too slow and cannot jump. The only thing he is suited for in the NBA is maybe small ball center. But even that is questionable if he can't show better quickness and some defensive improvement. I wonder if he will even see the floor at all.
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You could say exactly the same thing about Z-bo but he managed to have a pretty decent career. I'm not saying that this guy is going to be able to repeat what Randolph did. What I am saying is that pontificating about what he is going to do, absent watching even a single minute of him playing against NBA competition is talking out of your ass.
 
Blazinaway said:
Kevin Love seems to work and he's a lousy defender and slow afoot, but he has skills and can rebound and shoot, lets give the guy a chance before you write him off
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Sure i'll root for the guy to succeed but he simply is not even in Love's league. I also remember a huge stop last year to pretty much seal the Championship against Steph Curry in the open court. So all this "Love doesn't play defense" talk is way wrong. He plays solid defense and Love can get a quick second jump like very few that have ever played the game. Comparing Swanigan to Love is pretty much ridiculous at this point.
 
e_blazer said:
You could say exactly the same thing about Z-bo but he managed to have a pretty decent career. I'm not saying that this guy is going to be able to repeat what Randolph did. What I am saying is that pontificating about what he is going to do, absent watching even a single minute of him playing against NBA competition is talking out of your ass.
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Oh please.... That is pretty much all there is to do two days after the Draft. Give it a rest.
But you want to compare the guy to Zbo. That like comparing this kid to Love is a complete joke.
 
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