Religion A proposed Amendment to the 2nd Amendment.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

The second amendment stands as written, with the addition to clarify;
The right of the citizens to bear arms shall not be infringed. The right of the individual to defend oneself and those you protect is inherited from the creator. All fully automatic weapons are deemed to exceed the right of self defense, and therefore are reserved for the use of the sovereign states and the Federal Government.

The right to bear arms within the densely populated boundaries of cities of 125,000 or more registered residents, may be altered by a super majority local vote of the registered voters. A majority of 66% of the voters, with at least 50% registered voters, voting, may chose to infringe on the right to certain arms or the right to arms within their geographic area . The same restrictions will remain in effect through out the state for the residents of the restricted area.

The right to bear arms on any US documented vessel can not be infringed by any city in any state.

PtldPlatypus · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
The second amendment stands as written, with the addition to clarify;
The right of the citizens to bear arms shall not be infringe. The right of the individual to defend oneself and those you protect is inherited from the creator. All fully automatic weapons are deem to exceed the right of self defense, and therefore are reserved for the use of the sovereign States and the Federal Government.

The right to bare arms with in the densely populated boundaries of Cities of 125,000 or more register residents, may be alter by a super majority local vote of the registered voters. A majority of 66% of the registered voters may chose to infringe on the right to certain arm or the right to arms within their geographic area. The same restrictions will remain in effect through out the State for this residents of the restricted area.

The right to bear arms on any US documented vessel can not be infringed by any City in any State.

Seems very reasonable. However, in my opinion, even this amendment, written by a staunch supporter of the right to bear arms, would meet such fierce opposition from the right that it would never get off the ground.

barfo · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul, other than the grammar/spelling, you are on the right track here. If you don't want syphilitic liberals like me to write the amendment, you should write it yourself. That will produce a more satisfactory outcome for you.

barfo

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

PtldPlatypus said:
Seems very reasonable. However, in my opinion, even this amendment, written by a staunch supporter of the right to bear arms, would meet such fierce opposition from the right that it would never get off the ground.

I am not so sure it would be opposed so strongly by the right. I think it would be killed by the left.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

barfo said:
MarAzul, other than the grammar/spelling, you are on the right track here. If you don't want syphilitic liberals like me to write the amendment, you should write it yourself. That will produce a more satisfactory outcome for you.

barfo

Feel free to correct, anything I write is always corrected.

PtldPlatypus · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
I am not so sure it would be opposed so strongly by the right. I think it would be killed by the left.

Why would the left take issue with an amendment that codifies a city's ability to restrict, reduce, or even eliminate its citizens' ability to own guns? Seems like it fits their quintessential "baby step" motif.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

PtldPlatypus said:
Why would the left take issue with an amendment that codifies a city's ability to restrict, reduce, or even eliminate its citizens' ability to own guns? Seems like it fits their quintessential "baby step" motif.

Not enough! And if this one passed, it might be 500 more years before the they could get the next step.
Then again, I am not so sure they wish to lose the issue any more than they wish to lose the chance to never waste a crisis, like a school shooting.

No I do not think this amendment if passed, it would change a thing in the school shootings.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

I think it would turn some cities in to hell holes.

PtldPlatypus · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
No I do not think this amendment if passed, it would change a thing in the school shootings.

I tend to agree with you on this.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

PtldPlatypus said:
I tend to agree with you on this.

I certainly would like to know what is happening to these young males, that is causing them so much difficulty in transitioning to becoming men. For the most part, it seems as if they are all young white males without the father to help them. What???

dviss1 · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
The second amendment stands as written, with the addition to clarify;
The right of the citizens to bear arms shall not be infringe. The right of the individual to defend oneself and those you protect is inherited from the creator. All fully automatic weapons are deem to exceed the right of self defense, and therefore are reserved for the use of the sovereign States and the Federal Government.

The right to bare arms with in the densely populated boundaries of Cities of 125,000 or more register residents, may be alter by a super majority local vote of the registered voters. A majority of 66% of the registered voters may chose to infringe on the right to certain arm or the right to arms within their geographic area. The same restrictions will remain in effect through out the State for this residents of the restricted area.

The right to bear arms on any US documented vessel can not be infringed by any City in any State.

Needs to be proofread.

barfo · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
The second amendment stands as written, with the addition to clarify;
The right of the citizens to bear arms shall not be infringe. The right of the individual to defend oneself and those you protect is inherited from the creator. All fully automatic weapons are deem to exceed the right of self defense, and therefore are reserved for the use of the sovereign States and the Federal Government.

The right to bare arms with in the densely populated boundaries of Cities of 125,000 or more register residents, may be alter by a super majority local vote of the registered voters. A majority of 66% of the registered voters may chose to infringe on the right to certain arm or the right to arms within their geographic area. The same restrictions will remain in effect through out the State for this residents of the restricted area.

The right to bear arms on any US documented vessel can not be infringed by any City in any State.

dviss1 said:
Needs to be proofread.

I probably still missed a few.

barfo

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

dviss1 said:
Needs to be proofread.

Thank you. Updated. Ready to vote now?

barfo · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
Thank you. Updated. Ready to vote now?

It's a start but a bit weak in areas. Like nobody is going to fall for using a % of registered voters as the hurdle.

barfo

dviss1 · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
Thank you. Updated. Ready to vote now?

Thumbs down.

There is no mention of the guns being for the local militia.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

barfo said:
I probably still missed a few.

barfo

Outstanding. Updated. Ready to vote now?

dviss1 · Mar 30, 2018

barfo said:
It's a start but a bit weak in areas. Like nobody is going to fall for using a % of registered voters as the hurdle.

barfo

We have that now in Oregon to raise taxes and that's EXACTLY what these Republican folk are talking about when they say "balanced budget amendment".

All that means is it makes it so making it so we'd need a supermajority to raise taxes.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

barfo said:
It's a start but a bit weak in areas. Like nobody is going to fall for using a % of registered voters as the hurdle.

barfo

Good point. I meant to say 66% of the vote if at least 50% of the voters vote.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

dviss1 said:
Thumbs down.

There is no mention of the guns being for the local militia.

I never took it out.
Although, I think it becomes even more meaningless than it already is.

riverman · Mar 30, 2018

Interesting proposal Marz......

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

riverman said:
Interesting proposal Marz......

Yeah well, you notice not one liberal has agreed. One seems to care about syntax and spelling.

barfo · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
Yeah well, you notice not one liberal has agreed. One seems to care about syntax and spelling.

Did you think we should just line up behind your proposal? Would you line up behind mine, if I made one?

barfo

riverman · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
Yeah well, you notice not one liberal has agreed.

I don't pay attention to those labels...but you've wanted a posted amendment here and you posted one....that's a step...it's not going to be decided by S2 forum members but it's a good thread to discuss the amendment in..allow it to bake though before you serve it up...best if we discuss politics as concerned citizens and skip the political team sports rivalries for a change

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

riverman said:
I don't pay attention to those labels...but you've wanted a posted amendment here and you posted one....that's a step...it's not going to be decided by S2 forum members but it's a good thread to discuss the amendment in..allow it to bake though before you serve it up

Well yeah! It just seen silly it has to come from me. I am fine if we stand with what we have.

riverman · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
It just seen silly it has to come from me

It shouldn't really...it's a good thread...Silly threads are in abundance already

barfo · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
Well yeah! It just seen silly it has to come from me. I am fine if we stand with what we have.

Well, you do understand that we aren't in the business of passing amendments here. So maybe there's not a big motivation to draft an amendment.

But here's a proposal:

"The Second Amendment is hereby repealed."

What do you think?

barfo

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

I don't really think this amendment would fix the school shooting problem at all.
However, I do think this amendment could have an impact on our society. It would sort out the cities where people lived in to the more like minded enclaves. Perhaps the large Cities would be places of work rather than residents even more than they are now
except for those that gravitate to being cared for and reliant on police for any protection they might get.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

barfo said:
Well, you do understand that we aren't in the business of passing amendments here. So maybe there's not a big motivation to draft an amendment.

But here's a proposal:

"The Second Amendment is hereby repealed."

What do you think?

barfo

Yes, I thought that would be the case all along.
So war it is then.

SlyPokerDog · Mar 30, 2018

MarAzul said:
protect is inherited from the creator.

There are no mention of guns in the bible so I don't think the creator has a dog in this fight.

MarAzul · Mar 30, 2018

SlyPokerDog said:
There are no mention of guns in the bible so I don't think the creator has a dog in this fight.

Ha! Now I don't know whether you want to discuss dogs, rights, or fight.
But let me assume you need reminded of the sequence of getting our codified rights.

First Mr. Jefferson informed the world that our rights came from the Creator. Then he went on to explain, to secure those rights, is why we form governments.

"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, "

Then Mr. Madison did just that, codified these right in the foundation of our Government, including the bill of rights.
No one mentioned the bible in all this process, but they did often refer to the Law a Nations, sometimes known as Natural law.

But perhaps this is too much, you just needed and ear scratched?

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