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TorturedBlazerFan said:
What I wish is that no one would say a word about ML and all the talking his game would do on the court. I feel like every year someone’s talking him up and then he either doesnt live up to it or doesnt play. I actually thought in his small sample size last year he looked better but if he doesnt play it doesnt really matter.
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I want to see him play real physical on D and even down low and try and drawl fouls.
 
Hoopguru said:
I want to see him play real physical on D and even down low and try and drawl fouls.
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I dont want to derail the thread on my ML
stuff too much as that wasnt the point of his article.
I am at the point with ML where its like whatever he has to do to be a positive for the team is fine.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
What I wish is that no one would say a word about ML and all the talking his game would do on the court. I feel like every year someone’s talking him up and then he either doesnt live up to it or doesnt play. I actually thought in his small sample size last year he looked better but if he doesnt play it doesnt really matter.
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I don't recall anybody talking him up last year. I think most had given up on him. Then, he teases us with some small sample size success, and now we're right back to hoping this will finally be the year! He kind of did the same thing back in 2014-15 when he had his small sample size 50/40/90 season. Such a tease!

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I don't recall anybody talking him up last year. I think most had given up on him. Then, he teases us with some small sample size success, and now we're right back to hoping this will finally be the year! He kind of did the same thing back in 2014-15 when he had his small sample size 50/40/90 season. Such a tease!

BNM
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Id have to go look but it seems like its been on loop for a while.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I dont want to derail the thread on my ML
stuff too much as that wasnt the point of his article.
I am at the point with ML where its like whatever he has to do to be a positive for the team is fine.
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Chris did devote a paragraph to Meyers in his article. So I think talking about him here is appropriate.

I think Meyer's saving grace is he's never caused problems off the court, nor complained about his role or his playing time. He's been a good, if ineffective, soldier.

Last year, he was penciled in as our 3rd string center from the get go and didn't figure to get many minutes. So, most people lost interest. This year, with Ed gone and a shortage of big bodies up front, Meyers has a chance to play more. So, there is increased interest, both from his teammates and the forum members.

BNM
 
They should have Media Day before the playoffs instead of the regular season, because the regular season is useless for the Blazers.
 
Boob-No-More said:
1) I don't recall anybody talking him up last year...2) Then, he teases us with some small sample size success
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1) I do, every year. 2) No, he never does.

Boob-No-More said:
1) I think Meyer's saving grace is he's never caused problems off the court, nor complained about his role or his playing time. He's been a good, if ineffective, soldier...2) there is increased interest, both from his teammates and the forum members.
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1) Abandoning your statistical approach for wishful thinking? 2) No, there is no increased interest.
 
Mediocre Man said:
The great thing about this article is you can recycle it next year with a couple of name changes.
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Best post in the thread. Let's return to the theme of Chris' article, by summarizing the circular process we see year after year.

Trade equivalents

Midseason
Noah Vonleh for Wade Baldwin IV and Georgios Papagiannis

Off-season
Big Man
Ed Davis and Georgios Papagiannis for nothing
Wing
Pat Connaughton for Nik Stauskas and Gary Trent Jr.
Playmaker
Shabazz Napier for Seth Curry and Anfernee Simons

We replaced our 4th-best player in Davis with one of our worst in Collins (check the stats if you don't believe me). This makes us much weaker at Big Man, which was already our weak position. We held even at guard, but that was already our strength. Olshey has always wanted a guard-dominated team, mediocre up front. He seemed relieved when Aldridge left.

Olshey spins his wheels year after year. His flurry of guard activity was unneeded showboating. If he lacks the talent to trade for Big Men, he shouldn't shove away his Ed Davises.
 
jlprk said:
Big Man
Ed Davis and Georgios Papagiannis for nothing

If he lacks the talent to trade for Big Men, he shouldn't shove away his Ed Davises.
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Perhaps you forgot he traded for all of Robin Lopez, Mason Plumlee and Jusuf Nurkic. Our last three starting centers were all acquired via trade.

But, I think there is one thing we can agree on...

You should definitely shove away any, and all, PapaGs. They are worthless and cause nothing but trouble. You're better off without them.

BNM
 
Your usual cherry-picking on PapaG; I didn't say he was shoved off anyway. As for the rest, I was reviewing the last 12 months. If you want to review the whole 8 years or centuries or however long Olshey feels like he's been here, you showed how slim the historical pickings are. To return to the thread title, yesterday was monotonous because of the inaction of one man.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Perhaps you forgot he traded for all of Robin Lopez, Mason Plumlee and Jusuf Nurkic. Our last three starting centers were all acquired via trade.

But, I think there is one thing we can agree on...

You should definitely shove away any, and all, PapaGs. They are worthless and cause nothing but trouble. You're better off without them.

BNM
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Yep and we got the better end of all 3 of those Big Men trades.
 
jlprk said:
Your usual cherry-picking on PapaG; I didn't say he was shoved off anyway. As for the rest, I was reviewing the last 12 months. If you want to review the whole 8 years or centuries or however long Olshey feels like he's been here, you showed how slim the historical pickings are. To return to the thread title, yesterday was monotonous because of the inaction of one man.
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Olshey is entering his 7th season as POR GM, and for the 6th season in a row, our starting center will be a player Olshey acquired via trade. How is that historically "slim pickings'? For the record, so far, every season we've had a Olshey acquired starting center, the team has made the playoffs. The last time the team missed the playoffs and has a losing record was also the last tie we had a non-Olshey acquired starting center.

Olshey has his faults, but when it comes for trading for big men, he's done well. He easily "won" the Lopez, Plumlee and Nurkic trades. Do you disagree?

BNM
 
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Boob-No-More said:
Olshey is entering his 8th season as POR GM, and for the 7th season in a row, our starting center will be a player Olshey acquired via trade. How is that historically "slim pickings'? For the record, so far, every season we've had a Olshey acquired starting center, the team has made the playoffs. The last time the team missed the playoffs and has a losing record was also the last tie we had a non-Olshey acquired starting center.

Olshey has his faults, but when it comes for trading for big men, he's done well. He easily "won" the Lopez, Plumlee and Nurkic trades. Do you disagree?

BNM
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Olshey is actually entering his 7th season as GM not 8th. He started in 2012. This was his 7th off season.
 
hoopsjock said:
Olshey is actually entering his 7th season as GM not 8th. He started in 2012. This was his 7th off season.
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Yes, you are correct. I miscounted. I have corrected my original post.

BNM
 
BonesJones said:
Lmao. So we're all irrational? Because we dont think race automatically makes a player bad?

Classic MM.
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Not at all. Fan is of course short for fanatic. By definition, fanatical people are irrational and single minded.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Olshey has his faults, but when it comes for trading for big men, he's done well. He easily "won" the Lopez, Plumlee and Nurkic trades. Do you disagree?
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I already answered that succinctly, but since you want a longer answer...

jlprk said:
There is more to Big Men than Centers.
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Where are all the widebody 6-10 PFs he got who would start for most teams, not just our big man-starved team? Man, are we stocked with big men! While we're at it...where are all the mobile, dribbling, hot-shooting SFs? How about just one of each, after lo these 7 long years?

After his usual 11 months of inactivity, this summer he got...wait for it...4 more guards...and forced out our 2nd-best non-guard (big man or SF), who was confused about why he had to leave.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Not at all. Fan is of course short for fanatic. By definition, fanatical people are irrational and single minded.
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You know it has more meaning that that and a different context adopted by the mainstream and pretty much everybody. Are you such rebel that you refuse to accept common acceptance of a word? Haha.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Not at all. Fan is of course short for fanatic. By definition, fanatical people are irrational and single minded.
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Also, you said people dont like to hrar rational people express themselves here. I dint see what the definition of the word fan has ro do with the context of your statement.

Classic MM deflectionism.
 
jlprk said:
Where are all the widebody 6-10 PFs he got who would start for most teams...
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LOL, that's what you open with? Great Scott, Doc Brown! This is 2018, not 1998. You may want to hop in the DeLorean and travel back to the present.

I'll be generous with the definition of "most". Instead of "nearly all", I'm willing to settle for a simple majority. So, please give me your list of sixteen 6'10" (or taller) widebody power forwards who will be starting in the NBA this season. Go ahead, I'll wait...

Seriously, I went through a list of projected starting power forwards for all 30 teams and came up with 4 that are 6'10" or taller and could possibly be considered widebody:

Derrick Favors - OK, I"ll give you this one.
Paul Millsap - only 6'8", but I'm being generous.
Kevin Love - more of perimeter player these days, but he is 6'10" and reasonably wide.
Blake Griffin - like Love, he is more of a perimeter player these days. He spends much more time dribbling around the perimeter, passing and shooting face up jumpers than he does backing down people on the low blocks.

The one thing these guys have in common is they have all been in the league 8 - 12 years, and other than Favors, they are all spending as much, or more, time playing away from the basket than posting up near it. In other words, they are trying to adapt to the modern game where the 6'10" widebody starting power forward is teetering on the brink of extinction.

Millsap is a perfect example of how the position has changed over the past 12 years. His first three seasons in the league, his average made FG distance was in the 4 - 5 foot range. Mid-career, it increased to 8 - 10 feet. The last two seasons, playing for two different coaches in two different systems, his average made FG has been in the 11 - 12 foot range. Griffin and Love are a few years younger than Millsap, but their average made FG distance has also increased dramatically over the course of their careers. Both had made FG distance averages of about 7 feet early in their career. Last year Griffin was at 13.4 feet and love has been in the 14 - 15 foot range for the past 5 seasons.

Derrick Favors really is the only remaining 6'10" widebody starting power forward who still plays close to the basket.

Due to the way the game has evolved, there just hasn't been an influx of 6'10" wide body starting power forwards coming into the league. These days, you are much more likely to see veterans who came into the league as small forwards, or even shooting guards playing, the power forward position than you are traditional 6'10" widebody starting power forwards. Length is more important than width these days, and shooting range out to the 3-point line is MUCH more important than low post moves. At the power forward position, tall and thin is in, big and bulky is out. I guess you missed that memo.

BNM
 
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