What has happened to CJ's free throw shooting %?

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He's shooting 74% now...wtf?
 
B-Roy said:
Higher variability when you barely shoot any.
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But he's never been a high volume FT shooter and has had a much higher conversion rate in years past. It's his own style of game to not seek contact and shy away from defenders as much as possible. With his stroke, he should be shooting a much higher percentage. CJ is currently 11th on the season and not far in front of Whiteside. :banghead2: In his last 7 games, he is shooting a paltry 47% from the FT line. (and 43% from the field)

Coincidentally, that is not too far off from the time Trent started to get hot.
 
TBpup said:
But he's never been a high volume FT shooter and has had a much higher conversion rate in years past. It's his own style of game to not seek contact and shy away from defenders as much as possible. With his stroke, he should be shooting a much higher percentage. CJ is currently 11th on the season and not far in front of Whiteside. :banghead2: In his last 7 games, he is shooting a paltry 47% from the FT line. (and 43% from the field)

Coincidentally, that is not too far off from the time Trent started to get hot.
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He's had 2 seasons shooting below 70%. One at above 90%, and the others at around 83% which is basically his career average. Seems like a sample size issue to me. He's an 83% FT shooter.
 
doesn't he have something like 10 seconds to shoot after getting the ball? Maybe he should dribble back and forth between his legs for 9 seconds, then shoot. Simulate his game action

I dribbled between my legs once but that was after I ate some bad eggs at a market in Guatemala
 
I know numbers wise CJ career Ft percentage is pretty good but idk what it is imo he is completely garbage at them. Maybe it’s perception on when he misses crucial FTs but imo he is not a reliable ft shooter whatsoever
 
AldoTrapani said:
I know numbers wise CJ career Ft percentage is pretty good but idk what it is imo he is completely garbage at them. Maybe it’s perception on when he misses crucial FTs but imo he is not a reliable ft shooter whatsoever
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I wouldn't say garbage but I agree in the sense that, for a good 2-3 years I haven't felt that CJ at the line was an automatic 2 pts like I feel with Dame
 
SIeepwalker said:
I wouldn't say garbage but I agree in the sense that, for a good 2-3 years I haven't felt that CJ at the line was an automatic 2 pts like I feel with Dame
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Maybe it is just a feeling, but it seems that CJ's percentage goes down in the 4th quarter in tight games. Is there a way to determine that?
 
Huh. You'd think with how selfish a player on the court he is, he'd relish in the opportunities to have it be all about him on the court?
 
Strenuus said:
Huh. You'd think with how selfish a player on the court he is, he'd relish in the opportunities to have it be all about him on the court?
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People say he's selfish but then they don't recognize when he made an unselfish play.

With 2:14 left in the game last night Lillard got the ball after the outlet beyond the 3 point line. Trent was sprinting to the corner.
CJ was 3-4 steps behind Lillard at this point.
When Lillard got to Lillard range. CJ had sprinted to the elbow. With Trent in the corner.
CJ sprinting to the elbow forced the Mia defender responsible for Trent to come up and take CJ. CJ instantly threw a pass to Trent who hit the wide open three.
If CJ doesn't unselfishly sprint here to get back in the play. Trent doesn't get a wide open shot on this possession. Who knows what happens as before Trent hit this shot it was Portland 107, Miami 103 with more than 2 minutes left.

Calling CJ selfish is just as silly as those posters who used to/still call Lillard overrated because he couldn't beat the Pelicans trap in the post season a couple years ago.

At times he makes poor reads, mishandles the ball, overdribbles etc. But CJ is not selfish. He's just not Lillard.... Like many believed on this very forum.. No wait after the 16-17 season many thought he was better than Lillard and believed he was more clutch than him.... Wonder if I should zombie a thread.

 
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TBpup said:
Maybe it is just a feeling, but it seems that CJ's percentage goes down in the 4th quarter in tight games. Is there a way to determine that?
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Well, I looked it up. CJ's FT% in the clutch (last 5min or OT with no less than 5pt differential) each seasons since he became a starter :

2015-16: 87.1% (up from 82.7%)
2016-17: 94.7% (up from 91.2%)

Great, CJ is clutch ! wait, hold on a second.....

2017-18: 72.2% (down from 83.6%)
2018-19: 69.2% (down from 82.8%)
2019-20: 66.7% (down from 74.1%)

Well that's not too good... Turns out my feelings about the "last 2-3 years" were pretty accurate
 
SIeepwalker said:
Well, I looked it up. CJ's FT% in the clutch (last 5min or OT with no less than 5pt differential) each seasons since he became a starter :

2015-16: 87.1% (up from 82.7%)
2016-17: 94.7% (up from 91.2%)

Great, CJ is clutch ! wait, hold on a second.....

2017-18: 72.2% (down from 83.6%)
2018-19: 69.2% (down from 82.8%)
2019-20: 66.7% (down from 74.1%)

Well that's not too good... Turns out my feelings about the "last 2-3 years" were pretty accurate
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Thanks for the data. That is about the way it felt....appreciate the stats.
 
H.C. said:
People say he's selfish but then they don't recognize when he made an unselfish play.

With 2:14 left in the game last night Lillard got the ball after the outlet beyond the 3 point line. Trent was sprinting to the corner.
CJ was 3-4 steps behind Lillard at this point.
When Lillard got to Lillard range. CJ had sprinted to the elbow. With Trent in the corner.
CJ sprinting to the elbow forced the Mia defender responsible for Trent to come up and take CJ. CJ instantly threw a pass to Trent who hit the wide open three.
If CJ doesn't unselfishly sprint here to get back in the play. Trent doesn't get a wide open shot on this possession. Who knows what happens as before Trent hit this shot it was Portland 107, Miami 103 with more than 2 minutes left.

Calling CJ selfish is just as silly as those posters who used to/still call Lillard overrated because he couldn't beat the Pelicans trap in the post season a couple years ago.

At times he makes poor reads, mishandles the ball, overdribbles etc. But CJ is not selfish. He's just not Lillard.... Like many believed on this very forum.. No wait after the 16-17 season many thought he was better than Lillard and believed he was more clutch than him.... Wonder if I should zombie a thread.

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Terrific. This is the kind of thing that stats don't show. And also reflects how this is a team game. CJ's tunnel vision is glaring, but there are clearly things he does and brings to the team that are irreplaceable.
 
H.C. said:
People say he's selfish but then they don't recognize when he made an unselfish play.

With 2:14 left in the game last night Lillard got the ball after the outlet beyond the 3 point line. Trent was sprinting to the corner.
CJ was 3-4 steps behind Lillard at this point.
When Lillard got to Lillard range. CJ had sprinted to the elbow. With Trent in the corner.
CJ sprinting to the elbow forced the Mia defender responsible for Trent to come up and take CJ. CJ instantly threw a pass to Trent who hit the wide open three.
If CJ doesn't unselfishly sprint here to get back in the play. Trent doesn't get a wide open shot on this possession. Who knows what happens as before Trent hit this shot it was Portland 107, Miami 103 with more than 2 minutes left.

Calling CJ selfish is just as silly as those posters who used to/still call Lillard overrated because he couldn't beat the Pelicans trap in the post season a couple years ago.

At times he makes poor reads, mishandles the ball, overdribbles etc. But CJ is not selfish. He's just not Lillard.... Like many believed on this very forum.. No wait after the 16-17 season many thought he was better than Lillard and believed he was more clutch than him.... Wonder if I should zombie a thread.

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You have this flipped. At times he makes the extra pass. The rest of the time he makes poor reads (although I’d argue he doesn’t make reads at all) mishandles the ball, overdribbles, etc.
 
Strenuus said:
Huh. You'd think with how selfish a player on the court he is, he'd relish in the opportunities to have it be all about him on the court?
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Your perception of McCollum is incorrect. He has never shown any tendencies that it's all about him as he often refers to Lillard as the leader and best on the team. Your hate is blinding you. :bgrin:
 
Scalma said:
You have this flipped. At times he makes the extra pass. The rest of the time he makes poor reads (although I’d argue he doesn’t make reads at all) mishandles the ball, overdribbles, etc.
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This play has nothing to do with making the extra pass.
This play has everything to do with making the unselfish decision of sprinting up the court turning a 2 on 2 situation into a 3 on 2.
Without CJ sprinting here TrentJR never gets this shot.
My post was directed at someone calling CJ selfish. I showed a play. One of many CJ makes throughout every game. Showing that people are too focused on CJ when he has the ball.
There were even a couple posts a couple weeks ago iirc that were 'hating' on cj because his leading the league in miles ran isn't effective because he's too slow.
This play counters that point, also counters people who call CJ selfish.
 
There will always be examples of CJ doing something that can be pointed out as 'unselfish'. However, it is much easier to point out numerous occurances where that is not the case....and they are much easier to find. The exception almost proves the rule just by it's rarity.
 
TBpup said:
There will always be examples of CJ doing something that can be pointed out as 'unselfish'. However, it is much easier to point out numerous occurances where that is not the case....and they are much easier to find. The exception almost proves the rule just by it's rarity.
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While it's easier for people to recognize when a mistake is made. It's far more difficult for people to see when a player makes a play like CJ did in the specific play I pointed out. Simply because they're not looking for that play.
I'd put money on 9 out of 10 people on this board missed CJ sprinting up the court to force that 3 on 2 opportunity. It was more excitement because Trentjr made a wide open 3. They don't ask why he got that wide open three.
But I guarantee you they don't miss when he has a bad turnover from over dribbling.
CJ is a flawed player, but he's far from selfish like the post I quoted stated.

I expect better takes out of this fan base than to call someone who is clearly not selfish, selfish.
 
TBpup said:
But he's never been a high volume FT shooter and has had a much higher conversion rate in years past. It's his own style of game to not seek contact and shy away from defenders as much as possible.
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It's because he never gets calls, but i guess that's his fault too.
 
Blazers Roy said:
It's because he never gets calls, but i guess that's his fault too.
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Nah that's BS. It's because he rarely attacks the rim.

This season CJ has shot 88 Lay-ups, 5 Dunks and 332 Jump-shots. You obviously can't get much calls shooting mostly jump shots.

In comparison, Dame has had 188 Lay-ups, 12 Dunks and 292 Jump-shots, so you can see why Dame would go to the line more frequently, as most fouls happen under the basket.
 
SIeepwalker said:
Nah that's BS. It's because he rarely attacks the rim.

This season CJ has shot 88 Lay-ups, 5 Dunks and 332 Jump-shots. You obviously can't get much calls shooting mostly jump shots.

In comparison, Dame has had 188 Lay-ups, 12 Dunks and 292 Jump-shots, so you can see why Dame would go to the line more frequently, as most fouls happen under the basket.
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there's also the factor that Dame doesn't shy away from contact in the paint....CJ avoids it like the plague
 
H.C. said:
While it's easier for people to recognize when a mistake is made. It's far more difficult for people to see when a player makes a play like CJ did in the specific play I pointed out. Simply because they're not looking for that play.
I'd put money on 9 out of 10 people on this board missed CJ sprinting up the court to force that 3 on 2 opportunity. It was more excitement because Trentjr made a wide open 3. They don't ask why he got that wide open three.
But I guarantee you they don't miss when he has a bad turnover from over dribbling.
CJ is a flawed player, but he's far from selfish like the post I quoted stated.

I expect better takes out of this fan base than to call someone who is clearly not selfish, selfish.
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I don't think anyone has said he is ALWAYS selfish. But his style of play lends itself to selfishness just because at times he will dribble the air our the ball very often passing up WIDE OPEN teammates. His assists went down for 4 years in a row while his usage rate went up. To be fair, his assists have ticked up a bit this season but still not even to his 3rd year in the league which was his first year starting.

There are also many nights when teammates are shooting so much better than he is but instead of trying to get them the ball or creating to draw defenders and getting them a shot, he will continue to make sure he gets his. #9 in eFG% while 2nd in FGA. Doesn't seem like he is very interested in teammates much more efficient than he is. Seems overall selfish to me.
 
TBpup said:
I don't think anyone has said he is ALWAYS selfish. But his style of play lends itself to selfishness just because at times he will dribble the air our the ball very often passing up WIDE OPEN teammates. His assists went down for 4 years in a row while his usage rate went up. To be fair, his assists have ticked up a bit this season but still not even to his 3rd year in the league which was his first year starting.

There are also many nights when teammates are shooting so much better than he is but instead of trying to get them the ball or creating to draw defenders and getting them a shot, he will continue to make sure he gets his. #9 in eFG% while 2nd in FGA. Doesn't seem like he is very interested in teammates much more efficient than he is. Seems overall selfish to me.
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I get it. I brought up a play that countered the narrative you like to post about in every game thread.
I'm not going to go and bump those threads because it's not worth the effort.
Just like reading and responding to you once my point was proven was far from worth the effort.

I'm not going to continue to bring up. 'Oh sometimes this happens' Because frankly. Those like you who think CJ is selfish and hurting the team will never change their opinion.
Even when he does this.



CJ is a flawed player. But you could do a lot worse. Like Simons.
I'm glad you, and others are not in charge of the Blazers basketball decisions. Team would be even more in the shitter.
 
H.C. said:
I get it. I brought up a play that countered the narrative you like to post about in every game thread.
I'm not going to go and bump those threads because it's not worth the effort.
Just like reading and responding to you once my point was proven was far from worth the effort.

I'm not going to continue to bring up. 'Oh sometimes this happens' Because frankly. Those like you who think CJ is selfish and hurting the team will never change their opinion.
Even when he does this.



CJ is a flawed player. But you could do a lot worse. Like Simons.
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I agree with the play....nothing wrong with that. The issue is bigger picture. It was a few plays in a game. But the overall game is not much hustle on defense (to me, that is selfish) and a lot of Iso or ignoring of teammates on offense when he is not that efficient. (again, that seems selfish) He does do somethings unselfishly, but I'm looking at a much bigger picture than a few plays a game. A season, several seasons, a career?
 
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