2023-24 All Rookie Teams

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Will Scoot make an All Rookie team?

  • Yes, 1st

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Yes, 2nd

    Votes: 16 55.2%

  • No

    Votes: 10 34.5%
  • Total voters
    29
Guess we’ll find out when they choose them but I’d say he gets on the 2nd team.
 
How many rookies can we say were clearly better than Scoot this year?

I have it at 3.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
How many rookies can we say were clearly better than Scoot this year?

I have it at 3.
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"clearly" is real high a standard, and it would still be more than 3

1st tier:

Wemby - Holmgren - Miller - Amen - Jaquez - GG Jackson

2nd tier:

Lively - Whitmore - Scoot - Podziemski - Keyonte - Camara
 
wizenheimer said:
"clearly" is real high a standard, and it would still be more than 3

1st tier:

Wemby - Holmgren - Miller - Amen - Jaquez - GG Jackson

2nd tier:

Lively - Whitmore - Scoot - Podziemski - Keyonte - Camara
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Not even close.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
Not even close.
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you do understand I wasn't playing your "clearly" game, right?

I was simply listing rookies who I thought were better this year than Scoot, and also who was about the same level

Scoot last night in his 61st game: 18 points on 20 shots; 12 assists vs 9 turnovers
 
wizenheimer said:
you do understand I wasn't playing your "clearly" game, right?

I was simply listing rookies who I thought were better this year than Scoot, and also who was about the same level

Scoot last night in his 61st game: 18 points on 20 shots; 12 assists vs 9 turnovers
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Clearly can be pretty vague.
 
kjironman1 said:
Clearly can be pretty vague.
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no doubt....and subjective too...:cheers:

after the rookie season the significance of draft order fades but it's still a gauge in the rookie year. Like it or not, Scoot will always be gauged against Amen because of the choice Portland had. Scoot being 3rd and Jaquez 18th will impact evaluations this season too.
 
wizenheimer said:
you do understand I wasn't playing your "clearly" game, right?

I was simply listing rookies who I thought were better this year than Scoot, and also who was about the same level

Scoot last night in his 61st game: 18 points on 20 shots; 12 assists vs 9 turnovers
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I am aware. Just disagreeing. I don't think anyone thinks Camara had a better season than Scoot. And I love Tou.
 
Scoots counting stats are not bad ... but go diving into some of the advanced numbers and things get scary. A lot of those are dependent on the team around him, so not all on Scoot but an Ortg of 97 and Dtrg of 122 is pretty alarming. He's also 5th to last in PER, last in TS%, 2nd to last in TOV%, last in OWS, last in WS and the difference between him and 2nd to last is the same as 2nd to last and 170th to last. I'm more than willing to chalk this season up to a number of different factors creating a perfect storm of ineptitude, but anyone who thinks this season was an overall positive for Scoot is just kidding themselves.
 
bigbailes said:
but anyone who thinks this season was an overall positive for Scoot is just kidding themselves.
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I think it was overall positive because we saw some growth/development to his game.

But I agree, his impact is very much a negative player right now. His BBIQ is really quite low. But there again - I've seen 'some' growth there.

The unfortunate part, is the growth curve required for him to be an above average player is extremely steep. I'm not sure he'll be able to get there.
 
wizenheimer said:
better? no. About the same tier? possibly....maybe not
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Yeah, certainly guys who aren't expected to initiate the offense have a smaller responsibility than Scoot or another PG. Tou's baseline may have been more solid than Scoot's while Scoot had the higher highs and the lower lows.
 
Predator said:
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfe...emented-nba-season-wembanyama-holmgren-miller (9th)


https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...r-wembanyama-chet-holmgren-rookie-year-future (not top 10)

Seems like you’re on the outside looking in if you think only 3 rooks were clearly better than Scoot, or else you’d see a lot more deviation in these rankings, no?
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Maybe. But I hardly think two sources is definitive. Portland doesn't get looked at in most rankings and their players often get diminished by national outlets. I think you can make several different arguments and still have legitimacy. Scoot had more responsibility than most rookies, thus more opportunity for more highs and lows than most rookies. Scoot could (and should) have played better, but comparing him to Amen or Ausar Thompson is weird because of the significant burden he had on him that the other two just didn't.

I can't CLEARLY say there were more than 3 rookies who were better than Scoot when taking responsibility into context. I'm perfectly content with others disagreeing and suggesting otherwise.
 
HansenYang said:
I think it was overall positive because we saw some growth/development to his game.

But I agree, his impact is very much a negative player right now. His BBIQ is really quite low. But there again - I've seen 'some' growth there.

The unfortunate part, is the growth curve required for him to be an above average player is extremely steep. I'm not sure he'll be able to get there.
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young players can certainly make significant improvements in their dribbling and shooting; even in their court vision and their reads by gaining some years of experience. But I'm a little skeptical that players improve on their BBIQ a lot. Maybe. But PG's? Westbrook arrived with incredible athleticism and low BBIQ and that didn't really change. CP3 displayed extremely high BBIQ as a rookie. Dame had high BBIQ he polished with experience.

I know Scoot will learn and get better at decision making, but as you said, the hill he has to climb is incredibly steep right now. Maybe I'm too focused on his turnovers but he just hasn't made any progress there and so many of them are really dumb
 
kjironman1 said:
Cason Wallace got in though.
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he shot 49% on FG's and 42% on three's while playing all 82 games That was noticed

Scoot shot 38.5% on FG's and 32.5% on three's while averaging 3.4 turnovers. That was noticed too
 
This is like Shaedon not making the rookie game. Utterly meaningless...
 
wizenheimer said:
he shot 49% on FG's and 42% on three's while playing all 82 games That was noticed

Scoot shot 38.5% on FG's and 32.5% on three's while averaging 3.4 turnovers. That was noticed too
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Bro you actually typed that Camara had a better season than Scoot. I would just stop right about now and come back in October.
 
THE HCP said:
Bro you actually typed that Camara had a better season than Scoot. I would just stop right about now and come back in October.
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there's nothing wrong with hyping up 1 rookie Blazer more then another. Friendly competition is an important aspect of building a team. And... if Camara gets really good, Cronin can make the roster worse by trading Toumani for a future pick.
 
Well, I predicted one thing right this year I guess.. Still not feeling the Scoot love that a lot of others are.
 
wizenheimer said:
he shot 49% on FG's and 42% on three's while playing all 82 games That was noticed

Scoot shot 38.5% on FG's and 32.5% on three's while averaging 3.4 turnovers. That was noticed too
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Shooting guard as opposed to point guard. Cannot say he didn’t deserve it. Just kind of shows the Thunder have some depth.
 
THE HCP said:
Bro you actually typed that Camara had a better season than Scoot. I would just stop right about now and come back in October.
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Camara did have a better season - he was an effective role player (although a below average role player). Scoot was a historically poor inefficient player and the worst starting PG in the NBA.

Camara is 24 and Scoot is 20 so it doesn't mean it will always be that way.
 
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