"clearly" is real high a standard, and it would still be more than 3 1st tier: Wemby - Holmgren - Miller - Amen - Jaquez - GG Jackson 2nd tier: Lively - Whitmore - Scoot - Podziemski - Keyonte - Camara
you do understand I wasn't playing your "clearly" game, right? I was simply listing rookies who I thought were better this year than Scoot, and also who was about the same level Scoot last night in his 61st game: 18 points on 20 shots; 12 assists vs 9 turnovers
no doubt....and subjective too... after the rookie season the significance of draft order fades but it's still a gauge in the rookie year. Like it or not, Scoot will always be gauged against Amen because of the choice Portland had. Scoot being 3rd and Jaquez 18th will impact evaluations this season too.
I am aware. Just disagreeing. I don't think anyone thinks Camara had a better season than Scoot. And I love Tou.
Scoots counting stats are not bad ... but go diving into some of the advanced numbers and things get scary. A lot of those are dependent on the team around him, so not all on Scoot but an Ortg of 97 and Dtrg of 122 is pretty alarming. He's also 5th to last in PER, last in TS%, 2nd to last in TOV%, last in OWS, last in WS and the difference between him and 2nd to last is the same as 2nd to last and 170th to last. I'm more than willing to chalk this season up to a number of different factors creating a perfect storm of ineptitude, but anyone who thinks this season was an overall positive for Scoot is just kidding themselves.
I think it was overall positive because we saw some growth/development to his game. But I agree, his impact is very much a negative player right now. His BBIQ is really quite low. But there again - I've seen 'some' growth there. The unfortunate part, is the growth curve required for him to be an above average player is extremely steep. I'm not sure he'll be able to get there.
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-april-10-2024-edition This guy has him @ 14th, outside the rookie teams.
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfe...emented-nba-season-wembanyama-holmgren-miller (9th) https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...r-wembanyama-chet-holmgren-rookie-year-future (not top 10) Seems like you’re on the outside looking in if you think only 3 rooks were clearly better than Scoot, or else you’d see a lot more deviation in these rankings, no?
Yeah, certainly guys who aren't expected to initiate the offense have a smaller responsibility than Scoot or another PG. Tou's baseline may have been more solid than Scoot's while Scoot had the higher highs and the lower lows.
Maybe. But I hardly think two sources is definitive. Portland doesn't get looked at in most rankings and their players often get diminished by national outlets. I think you can make several different arguments and still have legitimacy. Scoot had more responsibility than most rookies, thus more opportunity for more highs and lows than most rookies. Scoot could (and should) have played better, but comparing him to Amen or Ausar Thompson is weird because of the significant burden he had on him that the other two just didn't. I can't CLEARLY say there were more than 3 rookies who were better than Scoot when taking responsibility into context. I'm perfectly content with others disagreeing and suggesting otherwise.
