OT "I'm Dealing With A Few Transgender Issues"

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I don't really have a dog in this fight but I am curious where you came up with the 99.98%

 

The NIH link says 1 in 5000 (0.02%) infants have Ambiguous Genitalia. So half of those could be girls.

So really it would put 99.99% in the accurate division based on that criteria.

 

I don't know this for sure but I would venture to guess that if you talked to a transgender person they would tell you that there is more to their decision to transition than genitalia.

 

Sports classifications shouldn't consider an individual person's decisions. There is no way to do so effectively.

Assignment at birth is the most fair, accurate, consistent, and least invasive way to determine who should be allowed to compete in women's only divisions.

If somebody can propose something else that is less invasive and more than 99.99% accurate I'd probably support that instead.

 

I am aware of the concerns of cis women. But there are outliers in sports and other fields. Brittney Griner gave her high school team a huge advantage. Should she have been banned? She's taller than most men. Was it unfair? Yes, actually. In life there are advantages. Like being straight and cis. White and male.

No one has found a man who wakes up one morning and says I think I will become a woman and win a gold medal. People who their whole lives have been demonized and rejected. Abused, thrown out of their homes, assaulted. Are they doing all this just to win a game?

School boards and state legislatures devote sessions to banning trans people from sports, criminalizing health care, saying their existence harms children and making it a crime to simply use a restroom.

All that to win a race?
And the solution is to segregate trans people as unfit toi mingle with "real" people?

 

I think I understand what you're saying. I'm curious though... What solution would you like to see?

 

As far as trans people go, if they can begin transition earlier it's much less of an issue. But IMHO many people, not accusing anyone here, mean politicians, don't want solutions, they want someone they can use to whip up moral panic.

Don't know about anyone else but I have never peeked into restroom stalls to verify the genitalia of the person urinating next to me.

 

Agreed. The restroom complaints are insane. I actually do like the solution of just making more individual restrooms anyway. I like the privacy.

I also agree that most politicians only care about most of these issues to rile up their base.

I don't want anybody targeted, but I don't know if there is any agreeable way to allow people who have transitioned from biological male to compete against women without making women's sports less enjoyable for all.

But absolutely, everyone should be allowed to compete if they have the ability. And every child should be able to play youth sports for sure. Regardless of ability.

But there obviously needs to be a line between the women's divisions and men's. I simply can't think of a more fair one. And I've tried. We've discussed it in this thread and I found that my proposal at the time was far more invasive than current physicals, and as such would not be appropriate. So I've adjusted my position with that in mind. I'm open to adjusting my position again.

I'd love to hear of alternate proposals that could maybe be more appealing. And that's not a challenge to anyone in here. Just an honest invitation to anyone who may have a better idea.

I'm interested in the discussion because I've coached girls for nearly a decade and have 3 daughters who are athletes. I've had many discussions with concerned parents, coaches, and players. I'd love to have an agreeable solution to talk to them about.

 

Which amounts to a de facto ban on trans people in sports.

 

I'm sorry but a bit confused. Seems earlier you said only compete as gender assigned at birth but now it seems you favor separate league for trans people?

 

So what is the process you would recommend to more accurately delineate between the women's division and the men's (open) division?

Making a 3rd division isn't an option, IMO. That's just a cruel way to target trans athletes.

 

I would even say the open division should be open to those who are eligible to compete in the women's division. If say, Brittney Griner wants to compete at a higher level, why not allow it? She doesn't have an unfair competitive advantage.