What are some trades that you would like to see the Grizzlies execute during the offseason? I think this trade would benefit both teams. What do you think? Golden State Sends: Nick Van Exel (12.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.2 minutes) Brian Cardinal (9.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.5 minutes) Memphis Sends: Ryan Humphrey (1.0 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 2 games) Stromile Swift (9.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 77 games) Jason Williams (10.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 6.8 apg in 72 games) If I had to pick three players that I would like to get rid of for a player of equal value, those three would be the three. They just don't fit in well with our team chemistry, in my opinion.
For some reason I don't think Jwill will fit on the warriors squad without Hubie. He's quite flashy but I want Claxton to start. I'm not that impressed with Stro, especially defensively. Humphrey is all right. How about something for Posey or Miller?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">For some reason I don't think Jwill will fit on the warriors squad without Hubie. He's quite flashy but I want Claxton to start. I'm not that impressed with Stro, especially defensively. Humphrey is all right. How about something for Posey or Miller?</div> The Grizzlies don't want to give up Posey. He's arguably our best player. Something with Miller might work. It seems like you've got the wrong impression of Jason Williams though. He's really stepped up his game to a whole nother level. He's not so "flashy" anymore. If anything, his play is kind of dull; however, he gets the job done. A year ago he was #2 in assists per game and assists per turnover ratio. I'd take him over Claxton any day. If a small forward is more of a need for the Warriors though, I could see it working out. That would give Bonzi Wells the chance to start, as well as give Dahntay Jones the chance to get some quality playing time.
Yeah I know but I'm thinking chemistry also though. Claxton wanted to come to GS to be a starting point guard and he's fought through a lot to prove himself. I think a healthy NVE off the bench would be perfect unless Jwill is willing to come off the bench. I know Mike Miller could be a good sixth man with his shooting ability and athleticism. Plus maybe with limited minutes Miller could avoid back soreness.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah I know but I'm thinking chemistry also though. Claxton wanted to come to GS to be a starting point guard and he's fought through a lot to prove himself. I think a healthy NVE off the bench would be perfect unless Jwill is willing to come off the bench. I know Mike Miller could be a good sixth man with his shooting ability and athleticism. Plus maybe with limited minutes Miller could avoid back soreness.</div> Well to be honest, I hadn't even thought about having Nick Van Exel and Jason Williams on the same team when I made my earlier post. That would be a real problem. Jason Williams refused to play in a game this year because he wasn't getting the minutes he would have liked to get. He's very immature and picky about that. The Grizzlies have arguably one of the top three backup point guards in the league (probably along with B.Jackson and Claxton), with Earl Watson. Aside from all of that, they drafted Troy Bell in the top 15 of last years draft. He should be getting some minutes soon as well. If a deal were to go down where the Grizzlies were to get Nick Van Exel, then Jason Williams or Earl Watson would have to go as well.
Yeah that's why I don't like Jdub. I'd rather have Watson but I like the backup point guard to have some 3 point range, everything else he is does is fine, except for playmaking skills. I think NVE is the best option for the warriors right now because he's the only former allstar type player that is willing to come off the bench just as long as he is Mr. 4th quarter. Plus NVE has really great courtvision and playmaking skills for a shoot first point guard. I can put up with NVE attitude because most of the time he just mouths off, the press gets on him, but he cools down and everything is back to normal. NVE is not a leader anyway.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post"> Golden State Sends: Nick Van Exel (12.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.2 minutes) Brian Cardinal (9.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.5 minutes) Memphis Sends: Ryan Humphrey (1.0 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 2 games) Stromile Swift (9.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 77 games) Jason Williams (10.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 6.8 apg in 72 games)</div> I'm not so sure of that idea from both teams' points of view. The Warriors do not need 2 more power forwards. They already have a glut at that position with Murphy, Robinson and Cardinal. Also, Brian Cardinal is a player that needs minutes to produce, and with the Grizzlies' rotation, he might not find a spot. Thus, the trade would turn out to be 3 Memphis players for NVE, who might not hang around anyways.
I just made up another possibility with Memphis and Golden State. Memphis trades: PF Ryan Humphrey (1.0 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 5.5 minutes) PF Stromile Swift (9.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.8 minutes) C Lorenzen Wright (9.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.8 minutes) Golden State trades: SF Calbert Cheaney (7.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 26.1 minutes) PF Clifford Robinson (11.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.3 apg in 34.7 minutes) C Erick Dampier (12.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.5 minutes) The Warriors are trying to go young and they do in Swift and Humphrey. I'm not sure about the Grizzlies but I do feel that they need some veterans around to teach some of the younger players. Cheany, Robinson and Dampier are qualified veterans and besides Dampier, they might not need many minutes to produce. Also, Cheany is a FA this offseason so West might be free to decide upon whether to re-sign him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not so sure of that idea from both teams' points of view. The Warriors do not need 2 more power forwards. They already have a glut at that position with Murphy, Robinson and Cardinal. Also, Brian Cardinal is a player that needs minutes to produce, and with the Grizzlies' rotation, he might not find a spot. Thus, the trade would turn out to be 3 Memphis players for NVE, who might not hang around anyways.</div> Well, Swift is a Center and Humphrey is a wingman, so there's not much of a conflict there. Plus, Cardinal will be traded. I think you're wrong about Cardinal not getting minutes on the Grizzlies. The Grizzlies are one of the only teams where a backup CAN get 20 minutes per game. He'd be a perfect fit for us. Also, you can never simplify a trade just because you don't feel the other parts of the trade are as important. For example, when Seattle made the trade to get Ronald Murray, just about everyone ignored him in that part of the trade. Look at the amazing season he just had. Stuff like that happens all the time. You never know when the "scrub" of a trade will become a jem. I believe Ryan Humphrey could be one of those "jems" that nobody sees coming. Just in 2003, he was a rookie. He was drafted in the top 15. He has loads of unfufilled potential. If the Grizzlies didn't already have James Posey and Bonzi Wells at wing, he'd be getting some serious playing time. You have to think that West recognizes his potential and is waiting for the right time to play him. All from High School through Notre Dame, Humphrey was a big time prospect. He hasn't really had a chance yet though; just like Troy Bell and Dahntay Jones. Even if the trade was a three player trade for Nick Van Exel, I would like it. We don't need a player in the long run. We need a player that can get us back into the playoffs NEXT YEAR. Jason Williams' career has been one big rollercoaster ride. Hubie Brown has done a lot for Williams' game, Williams has matured, and Williams now has a family. Yet, he is still the wild child we all used to be familiar with at times; it's just a part of who he is. I don't think he's in the Grizzlies' long term plans. Stromile Swift is as good as gone as well. There is no way he'll stay in Memphis for bench minutes next season, because there are teams out there who will offer him a starting job. Ryan Humphrey is one of my favorite players, and he has a lot of potential. Yet, I think he's pretty much useless to the squad right now. We've got too much talent already playing the wing. He'd be very affordable to lose. If we get Van Exel, then we'll get two things: a veteran point guard who can lead a team in the playoffs and extra salary cap room if he leaves the team. I don't know why you look at Van Exel leaving the Grizzlies in the future as a negative. I see nothing but good in it. Watson is ready to start. Last year was only his second year in the league, and he showed flashes of brilliance. He's got all the right pieces to become one of the top point guards in the NBA. Then backing Watson up is Troy Bell. Nothing has really been proven by Bell, but like so many other Grizzlies players he has just yet to get the right minutes. He's Boston College's all time scoring leader, and last years drafts' best athlete. He could also be a solid starting point guard or 6th man in the future. So you see, we're not really looking for a long term point guard in a trade. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I just made up another possibility with Memphis and Golden State. Memphis trades: PF Ryan Humphrey (1.0 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 5.5 minutes) PF Stromile Swift (9.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.8 minutes) C Lorenzen Wright (9.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.8 minutes) Golden State trades: SF Calbert Cheaney (7.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 26.1 minutes) PF Clifford Robinson (11.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.3 apg in 34.7 minutes) C Erick Dampier (12.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.5 minutes) The Warriors are trying to go young and they do in Swift and Humphrey. I'm not sure about the Grizzlies but I do feel that they need some veterans around to teach some of the younger players. Cheany, Robinson and Dampier are qualified veterans and besides Dampier, they might not need many minutes to produce. Also, Cheany is a FA this offseason so West might be free to decide upon whether to re-sign him.</div> Where'd you hear that the Warriors are trying to go young? They have Mike Dunleavy, Jason Richardson, Mikael Pietrus, Craig Claxton, and Brian Cardinal. Usually teams with that much youth try to get veteran players. I like the current Warrior ratio of young players to veterans. The only reason to go young would be if they were rebuilding; they aren't rebuilding, are they? If anything, I'd trade for a guy who's been around the league for a while (like JWill ). The Grizzlies do not need veterans. Look at their coaching staff. It was not just a fluke that Hubie Brown won coach of the year. He was able to give the Grizzlies what they desperately needed at the time: veteran leadership. If anything, Hubie Brown has made Memphis a place for wild players to come in and tone their game down (ie: Jason Williams, Mike Miller, James Posey, and Bonzi Wells). The Grizzlies may be one of the three youngest teams in the NBA, but look at their roster. There's not a single immature player on their whole team (minus the slightly immature version of Jason Williams or Bonzi Wells). Their young players are among the classiest in the league. For example, look at Shane Battier. He was one of the four finalists for the Sportsmanship award. His community work, generosity, and kind spirit are unrivaled throughout the league; yet, he's only in his early 20's. I don't like your point about Cheaney and Robinson just being used for veteran leadership and not demanding many minutes either. Aside from the fact that we already have that veteran leadership, we don't want players who can not contribute. Just because you're old doesn't mean you can't help out the Grizzlies. Bo Outlaw is a prime example of this. He is the oldest player on the Grizzlies (I believe), yet he is our hardest worker. His defense wins more games than the common fan may realize. Without him, we may have barely made it over 50% (not an exaggeration, he's that important right now). Stromile is our main backup Center, and when Wright gets older then Stromile could become our starting Center (he starts some already, but not on a consistant basis). To lose him and Wright for just one Center would be pretty lousy. Dampier may be a fantastic talent, but he can't do the job of two centers; especially in the system that the Grizzlies run. Sure, Dampier's stats are better than Wrights, but stats don't tell the whole story. Look at their difference in minutes. I think they're pretty even. The one thing that gives Wright the edge as a Grizzlies is that he's from Memphis. He went to a local high school, he went to the University of Memphis, and he's a friend of many people in the community. He's probably the most popular player in Memphis. If you move him to Oakland, he'll be just another above average Center. Here in Memphis, he means a lot more to us than that. He gets a bigger ovation at the start of games than Pau Gasol and James Posey do.
I get your point and I won't argue with you about Swift and Humphrey. But I am going to about my proposal. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Where'd you hear that the Warriors are trying to go young? They have Mike Dunleavy, Jason Richardson, Mikael Pietrus, Craig Claxton, and Brian Cardinal. Usually teams with that much youth try to get veteran players. I like the current Warrior ratio of young players to veterans. The only reason to go young would be if they were rebuilding; they aren't rebuilding, are they? If anything, I'd trade for a guy who's been around the league for a while (like JWill ). </div> They aren't rebuilding? I thought with coaching changes, they should be wanting to. Besides, they are the Warriors, aren't they? I don't mean to be sarcastic but what could you expect from a team that trades Vince Carter for Antwan Jamison? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't like your point about Cheaney and Robinson just being used for veteran leadership and not demanding many minutes either. Aside from the fact that we already have that veteran leadership, we don't want players who can not contribute. Just because you're old doesn't mean you can't help out the Grizzlies. Bo Outlaw is a prime example of this. He is the oldest player on the Grizzlies (I believe), yet he is our hardest worker. His defense wins more games than the common fan may realize. Without him, we may have barely made it over 50% (not an exaggeration, he's that important right now). </div> I'm not saying that Robinson and Cheany don't have to play at all, just that they can be good 10-20 mpg role players, somewhat play the roles that Derrick McKey and Sam Perkins played with the Pacers in the late stages of their careers. They can still produce when asked to, just that they wouldn't have to night in night out in Memphis. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Stromile is our main backup Center, and when Wright gets older then Stromile could become our starting Center (he starts some already, but not on a consistant basis). To lose him and Wright for just one Center would be pretty lousy. </div> C'mon, everyone knows that Swift is not a full-time center. He is there just because nobody else on the roster can play the backup role, and he needs his minutes. To have him as your starting center in the future is a joke. His rebounding and low-post scoring skills are way unrefined to play 35mpg at the 5 spot. Outlaw can also play backup center if there is no Swift.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post"> They aren't rebuilding? I thought with coaching changes, they should be wanting to. Besides, they are the Warriors, aren't they? I don't mean to be sarcastic but what could you expect from a team that trades Vince Carter for Antwan Jamison?</div> Half of the teams in the NBA changed coaches this last season, but that doesn't mean that they're all rebuilding. Heck, all three of the elite Eastern Conference teams changed coaches. It may seem like the Warriors are always in a rebuilding state, but that's just the West for you. It's so hard for teams like the Clippers and Warriors to compete that it makes them seem like bad teams. However, they're both close to finished products, in my opinion. If I were a Warrior fan, I could probably cite 100 areas of needed improvement. But overall, they're going in the right direction. They're not about to tear everything down and start building back up again. Also, at the time Antwain Jamison actually seemed just as promising as Vince Carter, if not more. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not saying that Robinson and Cheany don't have to play at all, just that they can be good 10-20 mpg role players, somewhat play the roles that Derrick McKey and Sam Perkins played with the Pacers in the late stages of their careers. They can still produce when asked to, just that they wouldn't have to night in night out in Memphis.</div> I'll buy into Robinson. I've watched his game intensely since his days on Jason Kidd's Phoenix Suns team. He had an outside shot with them and the Pistons, which made him a real big threat on offense. I'm not sure if he still has that attribute, since I've seen very few Warrior games this year; however, if he can still both shoot from the perimeter and post-up then I'd love to have him. Calbert Cheaney on the other hand I could do without. He has the talent, but he's getting up there in age. I think the Grizzlies could find someone better in Free Agency or even with the #50 pick in this year's draft. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">C'mon, everyone knows that Swift is not a full-time center. He is there just because nobody else on the roster can play the backup role, and he needs his minutes. To have him as your starting center in the future is a joke. His rebounding and low-post scoring skills are way unrefined to play 35mpg at the 5 spot. Outlaw can also play backup center if there is no Swift.</div> Point made and well taken. However, for us he's been brilliant at Center. He may be thin, but he can still rebound well. You can't look at his stats and assume that you know how he plays. He doesn't get the minutes of a starting Center, and as of now he's inconsistant. He has plenty of 20/10 nights, but other nights he goes 0/0. I'm chalking that up to age right now, and I hope he can grow out of that. For a 6-9 guy, he's a damn good Center. I'd rather have him start for me at Center than Tsakalidas. In fact, Stromile did start a good number of games for the Grizzlies at Center this year. I don't think he ever played Power Forward. His length and vertical leap give him the ability to do that. It adds 5-10 inches onto him.
How bout this :l j rich, murphy, and #11 pick for #2 pick and seeing if we can draft okafor or howard, next years starting lineup might look juicy :l SG - Pietrus SF - Dunleavy PF - Howard or Okafor PG - Speedy / Vanexel C - Foyle / ??????
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFuller:</div><div class="quote_post">How bout this :l j rich, murphy, and #11 pick for #2 pick and seeing if we can draft okafor or howard, next years starting lineup might look juicy :l SG - Pietrus SF - Dunleavy PF - Howard or Okafor PG - Speedy / Vanexel C - Foyle / ??????</div> Unless the team who gets the #2 pick has a large cap room, that won't work. Either way, this is a Memphis Grizzlies trade idea thread; not a Warriors one. :mrgreen:
Changes in Indy ESPN/AP: Even though they had the best record in the NBA, Pacers coach Rick Carslisle off the heels of a disappointing Conference Finals exit says next year will give us a brand new Pacers team. "Right now, I don't think this team will be back in its exact form next year," Carlisle said Thursday. "There will be some changes, either through free agency and the draft or the possibility of trades. There's going to be some things that are going to be different." Full Story:http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1815327 What would Memphis have to do to try and get Harrington and do you think he would benefit the team?
