He wasn't the problem. So I gave him a C-. He was brought in to be an expiring contract this summer. Combine him and KVH and you can take in more than $11.7 million in a trade. Add Mo Ager and you're at $13 million. Since KVH has some sort of buyout, it could be an appealing package for a team wanting to dump someone for expiring contracts and a draft choice (Dallas 2010). If a team wants Marcus Williams, then substitute him for Ager.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 27 2008, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't the problem. So I gave him a C-. He was brought in to be an expiring contract this summer. Combine him and KVH and you can take in more than $11.7 million in a trade. Add Mo Ager and you're at $13 million. Since KVH has some sort of buyout, it could be an appealing package for a team wanting to dump someone for expiring contracts and a draft choice (Dallas 2010). If a team wants Marcus Williams, then substitute him for Ager.</div> but he's not an expiring contract. He has a player option that he'll opt. And he's worthless. Less than worthless, since everyone is convinced that Collins was worthless, and Memphis readily gave him up for Twin.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 27 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 27 2008, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't the problem. So I gave him a C-. He was brought in to be an expiring contract this summer. Combine him and KVH and you can take in more than $11.7 million in a trade. Add Mo Ager and you're at $13 million. Since KVH has some sort of buyout, it could be an appealing package for a team wanting to dump someone for expiring contracts and a draft choice (Dallas 2010). If a team wants Marcus Williams, then substitute him for Ager.</div> but he's not an expiring contract. He has a player option that he'll opt. And he's worthless. Less than worthless, since everyone is convinced that Collins was worthless, and Memphis readily gave him up for Twin. </div> You think he's not going to pick up the option?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ Apr 27 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 27 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 27 2008, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't the problem. So I gave him a C-. He was brought in to be an expiring contract this summer. Combine him and KVH and you can take in more than $11.7 million in a trade. Add Mo Ager and you're at $13 million. Since KVH has some sort of buyout, it could be an appealing package for a team wanting to dump someone for expiring contracts and a draft choice (Dallas 2010). If a team wants Marcus Williams, then substitute him for Ager.</div> but he's not an expiring contract. He has a player option that he'll opt. And he's worthless. Less than worthless, since everyone is convinced that Collins was worthless, and Memphis readily gave him up for Twin. </div> You think he's not going to pick up the option? </div> Well, he is known for being pretty dumb.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 26 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Made me miss Jason Collins. That says it all.</div> Even while doing that, he still had to have exceeded your expectations
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 27 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 26 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Made me miss Jason Collins. That says it all.</div> Even while doing that, he still had to have exceeded your expectations </div> Actually, no. I've seen him play a good game here and there for his other teams and even contribute to a win once in a blue moon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 27 2008, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 27 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 26 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Made me miss Jason Collins. That says it all.</div> Even while doing that, he still had to have exceeded your expectations </div> Actually, no. I've seen him play a good game here and there for his other teams and even contribute to a win once in a blue moon. </div> Then it is your problem, not Swifts. Swift was clearly better than any reasonable person had any right to expect. I'm strongly considering giving him an A
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 27 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 27 2008, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 27 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 26 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Made me miss Jason Collins. That says it all.</div> Even while doing that, he still had to have exceeded your expectations </div> Actually, no. I've seen him play a good game here and there for his other teams and even contribute to a win once in a blue moon. </div> Then it is your problem, not Swifts. Swift was clearly better than any reasonable person had any right to expect. I'm strongly considering giving him an A </div> You exaggerate. There is a difference between the expectations of being the #2 pick in the draft and replacing Jason Collins.
ghoti = GOAT swift hater. anyways, i didn't vote but i'd give him a b-/c+. he exceeded expectations in limited minutes, made very few mistakes, and consistently played hard and pretty well for the most part. people that are giving him Ds and Fs, may i ask what you expected out of him and what type of production your looking for from a guy who plays less than 15 mpg?
Hey! Cpawfan said my expectation of him having a decent game once in a while was unreasonable. He is waaaaaaaay more of a hater than I am!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey! Cpawfan said my expectation of him having a decent game once in a while was unreasonable. He is waaaaaaaay more of a hater than I am!</div> you failed to answer my questions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 28 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey! Cpawfan said my expectation of him having a decent game once in a while was unreasonable. He is waaaaaaaay more of a hater than I am!</div> you failed to answer my questions. </div> Actually, I more than covered every aspect of your question. I noticed you did not step up and answer mine, though. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody have an actual reason for giving him a passing grade?</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I noticed you did not step up and answer mine, though. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody have an actual reason for giving him a passing grade?</div> </div> i gave 3 or 4 reasons in my first post dude. i'll tell you again.. -he didn't make lots of mistakes like everyone said he would -he didn't get lazy like everyone said he would -he wasn't a locker room issue like people said he would be -when given playing time he played hard and played well more often than not imo he met and occasionally exceeded expectations in limited minutes. he didn't complain or get lazy when they benched him for a couple weeks. that's why i give him a b-/c+
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 28 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I noticed you did not step up and answer mine, though. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody have an actual reason for giving him a passing grade?</div> </div> i gave 3 or 4 reasons in my first post dude. i'll tell you again.. -he didn't make lots of mistakes like everyone said he would -he didn't get lazy like everyone said he would -he wasn't a locker room issue like people said he would be -when given playing time he played hard and played well more often than not imo he met and occasionally exceeded expectations in limited minutes. he didn't complain or get lazy when they benched him for a couple weeks. that's why i give him a b-/c+ </div> Sorry if I missed your first post. I never thought he would be a locker room problem. I always thought of him as a quiet, sort of timid guy. I don't understand why you say he played "well". What specifically did he accomplish? I can't think of a single game where he made a difference. I'm sorry if I don't give him credit for acting professionally. That's a minimum standard. He certainly shouldn't get extra credit for not being a whiny bitch. The fact that has to even be mentioned says a lot about him. I still have no idea why the Nets made this trade unless they either mistakenly thought there was a chance he would opt out or it was their subtle way of tanking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 28 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I noticed you did not step up and answer mine, though. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody have an actual reason for giving him a passing grade?</div> </div> i gave 3 or 4 reasons in my first post dude. i'll tell you again.. -he didn't make lots of mistakes like everyone said he would -he didn't get lazy like everyone said he would -he wasn't a locker room issue like people said he would be -when given playing time he played hard and played well more often than not imo he met and occasionally exceeded expectations in limited minutes. he didn't complain or get lazy when they benched him for a couple weeks. that's why i give him a b-/c+ </div> Sorry if I missed your first post. I never thought he would be a locker room problem. I always thought of him as a quiet, sort of timid guy. I don't understand why you say he played "well". What specifically did he accomplish? I can't think of a single game where he made a difference. I'm sorry if I don't give him credit for acting professionally. That's a minimum standard. He certainly shouldn't get extra credit for not being a whiny bitch. The fact that has to even be mentioned says a lot about him. I still have no idea why the Nets made this trade unless they either mistakenly thought there was a chance he would opt out or it was their subtle way of tanking. </div> the 2 wins against milwaukee and the win against toronto he definetly contributed to. plus, he's a role player. he's not going to be a major factor in every single game. that's why he's a role player. my point is that he played his role pretty well. that's all you can ask from a guy who plays less than 15 minutes a game. i don't see how any nets fan could be disappointed in his play so far. if you're disappointed, then you set yourself up for failure by thinking he was more than a role player. it's not his fault that he was drafted #2 EIGHT years ago. people need to realize he's been a role player his entire career and will probably be one for the rest of his career. if you realize that, you should be pleased with his production and positive attitude. i've watched him play for 3 teams, and he's giving you guys his best effort. i can tell when he's slacking off and when he isn't. he slacked off in houston. he hasn't slacked off in new jersey. trust me on that.
I guess I just don't see what role he fills or why the Nets need him. The contributions he made were minimal and they have similar players who can provide the same things. I thought maybe there would be a few games where he would assert himself and earn a little run. People say Frank has these biases and blah blah, but I've seen him give player after player opportunities when they have a hot hand. Darrell Armstrong passed Marcus Williams on the depth chart for three games after his great night in Orlando, for example. Like I said, I've seen Stro play a good game here and there for other teams but here he just never had any kind of impact at all. Perhaps he'll be easier to trade as an expiring contract than Collins would have been. I don't know.
To me, Swift's defining moment was on the offensive end, when he got the ball, and lost it. He felt some players hacked him, and started complaining to the refs about it. The thing is...THE BALL WAS STILL IN PLAY. And not only that, but Devin was trying to save the ball from going out of bounds, and tried passing it TO SWIFT...while he was complaining and bitching to the refs. I think the ball bounced off of Swift, and Devin corralled it. I'm not sure, but I just couldn't believe he did that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 29 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To me, Swift's defining moment was on the offensive end, when he got the ball, and lost it. He felt some players hacked him, and started complaining to the refs about it. The thing is...THE BALL WAS STILL IN PLAY. And not only that, but Devin was trying to save the ball from going out of bounds, and tried passing it TO SWIFT...while he was complaining and bitching to the refs. I think the ball bounced off of Swift, and Devin corralled it. I'm not sure, but I just couldn't believe he did that.</div> that's only one play, and what actually happened is he went up for a dunk and a guy fouled him on purpose to send him to the line, and the ref didn't blow the whistle. he was CLEARLY fouled pretty hard on that play. that's not an excuse, but swift almost never complains to officials, seriously. that's very rare to see from him, he was clearly very frustrated that game. but, you can't judge the guy's season based on one play. name every mistake he made with the nets. the list isn't long. i bet every player on the roster has failed to get back on D while complaining to the refs atleast once this season. why is it so much worse when swift does it, and he probably complains to refs less than any other player on the team. seriously, in the last 4 seasons that's the only time i can recall him getting angry at a ref. like i said in my other post, if you expected him to come to NJ and be anything but a role player, that's not his fault, that's your problem. if you say he has no role on this team, that's not his fault either. that's the GMs problem. the fact of the matter is that he gave you guys his best effort and did what he could in very limited opportunites.
You keep saying he's a role player. What is his role? What unique skills can he bring off the bench to help his team win games?
