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I haven't checked the numbers, but I think Gomes + Joel works for Dampier. That's getting under the cap in a hurry. However, Dallas would likely require $3MM and a serious sweetner. Again, Joel would be their backup playoff center. They wouldn't really care much what he brought in the regular season.

We cut Dampier and his non-guaranteed contract and let Dallas re-sign him if they wish.
 
they do work, but all it would do was put our number July 8 at around 58M. Still a bit over the cap line. Nothing that you can feel sexy about.

If we did it today, for a trade before Tuesday? Yes, that gives us some space...enough to get Hinrich or Beasley.
 
Brian, you are completely wrong on exceptions. If we had a 4M exception, (which we cannot get BTW), your LA to Orlando does not work. If we were able to take the contract of Bass back for it, Orlando would recieve a trade exception equal to its value. It could not combine Nelson and the exception to get LA.
 
You also cannot combine Gomes contract with anyone else's from the Blazers right now. It is either trade him for a contract or two worth nearly 6m, release him before the 30th, or keep him past the 30th with the final three years of his contract being guaranteed.
 
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You also cannot combine Gomes contract with anyone else's from the Blazers right now. It is either trade him for a contract or two worth nearly 6m, release him before the 30th, or keep him past the 30th with the final three years of his contract being guaranteed.
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Thank you. I had forgotten that simple fact. Sorry to mislead anyone.
 
I beg to differ. We CAN get an exception for Gomes in a non-simultaneous trade...I was wrong about the amount...it would be 3.992M instead of 4.017 because Gomes' incentives don't count toward the cap until after the moratorium. So you're correct that the Bass one wouldn't, but only because he makes 8000 more than the exception would be. Those other trades would.

I'll spell it out again.
LMA (10.7) +the Gomes Exception (rounded to 4)= 14.7M incoming to another team. They can send back between 11.1 to 18.475, using the 125% + 100k rule
LMA (5.8M)+ the Gomes Exception (4M) = 9.8M to us. We can bring back in between 7.74 and 12.25M, as long as one player makes less than the Gomes exception.

Here's an example you can see on trade machine (coming from the other direction).

Let's say ORL wants to trade us Nelson(8.1M) and Bass(4M) for Camby(9.1M), for some reason. That won't work, b/c it doesn't meet the 125% rule. So we say that we'll add Miller, to try to get the salaries to match within the 125% rule. That just misses, also. But ORL has the Hedo Exception. So now, they say that they'll take Miller (6.7M) for their Hedo Exeption (6.8M). The Hedo Exception makes it so that the values are high enough to work under the 125% rule, just like my example above. Here's the proof.
 
If we traded him to, say, OKC. If we wait until the FA period? Any team with space.
 
OKC does not have enough cap space. Memphis has 3.2M in cap space according to the ESPN trade checker. Say we trade Gomes to them and 3M for a player and that cap space. Memphis now has to pay 2.75M to release Gomes and that number gets spread out over 3 years. 250k is not enough to make it worthwhile and the trade exception would be Gomes 2009-10 total minus whatever the salary of the player we have to take back. Gaining a slightly over 3M trade exception is not worth adding draft picks.

After July 8th, we would have to convince a team to take on 3 years at just over 4M a year guaranteed to take him. That is going to cost us alot of talent.
 
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Your proof works because we gain an exception for trading Miller. We then accept Bass with that exception and it is then Camby for Nelson.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q74
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? I'm not trying to do anything in question 74. Question 77 is what I was attempting:
Teams may have even more flexibility if one or both have a Traded Player exception (see question number 71) or Disabled Player exception (see question number 19). This happens when the team with the BYC player is receiving multiple players in trade. For example, if Washington has a player with a $10 million salary and a $5 million BYC amount, and they have a Disabled Player exception for $5 million, then they can accept two $5 million players in trade for their player. One of the incoming players fits within the $5 million Disabled Player exception; the other fits within the $6.35 million margin created by the Traded Player exception.
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Looking close, I was off. LMA can still only bring back a 7.4 contract by himself, but the TPE will allow us to get a 7.4 and a 3.99M player, and that gets us the ability to trade him. Another team would have to send back at least 8.49M, so it couldn't happen on its own. With the TPE, getting Player A (<7.4M) and Player B (<3.99) that combined make more than 11.4M are the requirements. So Nelson and Bass don't work. But a couple of trades are added to that list, and a couple are subtracted. that's next post. Good callout.
 
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Also, trading for anyone's TPE (like ORL).

I've continued to say that the best way to use Gomes is to trade for Beasley. But there are other, more arcane (as we've demonstrated) options.
 
Just to clarify,

If we somehow traded Gomes to a team for nothing, we would get an exception for the 3.85 he made this year plus 100k. That would give us a 3.95M trade exception. The trading team would also be responsible for the buyout plus any luxury tax considerations. A team like Orlando would pay the 2.75M buyout plus another 3.85 in luxury tax this year.

I will not cover trading LA while he is PPP, but his salary is 10.7M next year and will be BYC. Since that is less than double this years salary (5.844830M), trading LA can bring back a salary of 7.3931037M.

So one player that makes 7.39M and the other that makes 3.95M.
 
:check: Though story's site has Gomes at 3,892,500 cap hit. So it'd be 100k more for the exception.
 
The Orlando scenario does not work due to Bass making more than 3.95M.

The others:

to BOS for 'Sheed's cool retirement savings contract and Big Baby. LOL

Nothing in the FAQ's about trading for a player that is probably going to retire, but think it may fall under bypassing the CBA.

to CHA for Gerald Wallace (or Diaw, or SJax) and Augustine

GW, BD, and SJackson all make more than 7.39M next year.

to CLE for Mo Williams and Hickson

Mo makes more tha 7.39M

to DEN for JR Smith and Birdman

Birdman makes more than 3.95M

to GSW for Biedrins and Curry (or Wright, or Turiaf)

AB makes too much, as does Turiaf

to HOU for Battier and Brooks

This works

to MEM for Thabeet, Conley and Brewer

Brewer is a restriced free agent. Thabeet and Conley make more than the exception.

to MIL for Magette and Jennings (or Ilyasova)

CM makes too much.

to NJN for Harris and Yi

Harris makes too much.


to NOH for West and Collison

West makes too much.

to OKC for Krstic and Westbrook

Westbrook makes too much.

to ORL for Nelson and Bass

Bass makes too much.

to SAC for Udrih and Landry (guh)

This works.

to UTH for Millsap and Miles

Millsap makes too much.
 
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