Just pointing something out here.... for those of you who are voting make sure you look up some of these players accomplishments before taking the easy road by voting for more current players, the stats do lie because sometimes players have bad seasons. I don't have enough time to go into every little detail about the player, so do your best to make the right decision. Thank you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jul 25 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>because at the end, you admit your ignorance.. nullifying your other points IMO.you don't know hardly enough about my players and what they have accomplished in their careers.</div>It wasn't ignorance, and it didn't nullify my other points, either. Considering the fact that the average age on BBW is 13-16 years, I doubt anyone knows how Hal Greer plays, or Dolph Schayes. I could already know a decent amount of your 'unknown' players even I just read their bio's on www.nba.com/history, as well as their accomplishments. Not everyone is around 30 years old on BBW, hence most people of the younger generation on BBW will vote for the players they generally know more about.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>this is not pick a bunch of current athletes and say they're more atheltic.It's pick the players who were top dogs in their era and did something.Hal Greer is better than Kemp, Houston, Arenas, Strickland, Divac and Bosh.WHY?</div>1) I'm sure Hal Greer was a very good player in his time, but there are other aspects of the game that should be noticed as well, in this draft.2) That is a pointless argument, you can't even compare Hal Greer with Kemp, Strickland, Divac, and Bosh, considering the fact that they all play different positions. Greer may be better than Houston, but wait until Gilbert Arenas finishes playing in the NBA, then we'll compare these two. Comparing 15 years of individual success with 6 years of individual success isn't fair at all, and Gilbert Arenas has already shown statistically that he is a better scorer than Greer was.. which is kind of surprising because back in the days when Greer was playing there was obviously less talent and competition at his position.. totally opposite of what the SG spot is today. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>is he as athletic.. probably not and if we had a time machine of course he couldn't keep up with todays players because training and therefore the athleticism of the sport was different back then. get the old school players training, eating and a chance to get used to today's game and the HOF'ers would adjust and do fine.</div>Athleticism helps a lot of raw and inept NBA players score on the offensive end, those who are athletic, of course. Today's game is much more fast-paced, I seriously doubt you'd see that back in the '50s, '60s and '70s.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 25 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BTW, I disagree with Barkley/Schayes being better than Ewing/Kemp/Bosh.</div>Lol I'm sorry, It was a close one, so in the end I had to go with Hall of Fame status/accomplishments. Ewing has all of the accomplishments, Kemp has less of them, and Bosh has even less. Barkley and Schayes both are HOF's and Barkley has an MVP.
Here, I'll add some myself to help outCelticFanPG Isiah Thomas: 6'1" 180lbs. 2 Time NBA Champion, Finals MVP, 3 time All-NBA first team, HOF'er, 50 Greatest Players of all time. #5 all time career assists, #4 all time APG.PG Gail Goodrich: 6'1" 170lbs. NBA Champion, 1 time All-NBA first team, HOF'er, #39 all time scorerSG Vince Carter: 6'7" 215lbs. ROY, 24 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg still going.SG Hal Greer: 6'2" 175lbs. NBA Champion, 7 time All-NBA second team, HOF'er, One of 50 Greatest Players, over 21,000 career points (#23), 4 apg and 5 rpg for careerSG Mitch Richmond: 6'5" 215lbs. ROY, 21 ppg scoring avg, #29 all time in career points, 3 time All-NBA second teamSF Alex English: 6'7" 190lbs. HOF'er, #11 all time career points, 3 time All-NBA second teamSF Dirk Nowitzki: 6'11" 237lbs. League MVP, 3 time All-NBA first team, still going strong.SF Reggie Lewis: 6'7" 195lbs. R.I.P, He is the only player in Celtics history to have 100 rebounds, 100 assists, 100 steals and 100 blocked shots in a season - 1991-92 (394 rebounds, 185 assists, 125 steals and 105 blocks). PF Charles Barkley: 6'6" 252lbs. MVP, 5 time All-NBA 1st team, HOF'er, 50 Greatest Players of all time, 22 ppg/11 rpg, #16 all time career points, #15 all time career reboundsPF Dolph Schayes: 6'7" 195lbs. NBA Champion, 6 time All-NBA 1st team, HOF'er, 50 greatest players of all time, 18.5 ppg/12.1 rpgC Wilt Chamberlain: 7'1" 275lbs. 4 Time MVP, 2 Time NBA Champion, Finals MVP, Only center to lead the league in assits, well we all know what he's done. He's the best Center of all time and 2nd (or best) player.C Dave Cowens: 6'9" 230lbs. League MVP, 2 time NBA Champion, 17 ppg, 13 rpgThat's what my team has accomplished over their careers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jul 26 2007, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here, I'll add some myself to help outCelticFanPG Isiah Thomas: 6'1" 180lbs. 2 Time NBA Champion, Finals MVP, 3 time All-NBA first team, HOF'er, 50 Greatest Players of all time. #5 all time career assists, #4 all time APG.PG Gail Goodrich: 6'1" 170lbs. NBA Champion, 1 time All-NBA first team, HOF'er, #39 all time scorerSG Vince Carter: 6'7" 215lbs. ROY, 24 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg still going.SG Hal Greer: 6'2" 175lbs. NBA Champion, 7 time All-NBA second team, HOF'er, One of 50 Greatest Players, over 21,000 career points (#23), 4 apg and 5 rpg for careerSG Mitch Richmond: 6'5" 215lbs. ROY, 21 ppg scoring avg, #29 all time in career points, 3 time All-NBA second teamSF Alex English: 6'7" 190lbs. HOF'er, #11 all time career points, 3 time All-NBA second teamSF Dirk Nowitzki: 6'11" 237lbs. League MVP, 3 time All-NBA first team, still going strong.SF Reggie Lewis: 6'7" 195lbs. R.I.P, He is the only player in Celtics history to have 100 rebounds, 100 assists, 100 steals and 100 blocked shots in a season - 1991-92 (394 rebounds, 185 assists, 125 steals and 105 blocks). PF Charles Barkley: 6'6" 252lbs. MVP, 5 time All-NBA 1st team, HOF'er, 50 Greatest Players of all time, 22 ppg/11 rpg, #16 all time career points, #15 all time career reboundsPF Dolph Schayes: 6'7" 195lbs. NBA Champion, 6 time All-NBA 1st team, HOF'er, 50 greatest players of all time, 18.5 ppg/12.1 rpgC Wilt Chamberlain: 7'1" 275lbs. 4 Time MVP, 2 Time NBA Champion, Finals MVP, Only center to lead the league in assits, well we all know what he's done. He's the best Center of all time and 2nd (or best) player.C Dave Cowens: 6'9" 230lbs. League MVP, 2 time NBA Champion, 17 ppg, 13 rpgThat's what my team has accomplished over their careers.</div>Dude, anyone can make their own list. This is kinda forcing me to make one so that I don't lose votes to this. :beee:
[quote name='Zards' post='426543' date='Jul 25 2007, 11:37 PM']It wasn't ignorance, and it didn't nullify my other points, either. Considering the fact that the average age on BBW is 13-16 years, I doubt anyone knows how Hal Greer plays, or Dolph Schayes. I could already know a decent amount of your 'unknown' players even I just read their bio's on www.nba.com/history, as well as their accomplishments. Not everyone is around 30 years old on BBW, hence most people of the younger generation on BBW will vote for the players they generally know more about.[/quote]well if you look at my bench vs GA's I have it all over him.Dirk can play SF on this team to open things up.I can swtich them up on D and barkely can chase after Pippen and his set shot.and again, this is about all era's not the past 2 decades that everyone knows.[quote name='Zards' post='426543' date='Jul 25 2007, 11:37 PM']1) I'm sure Hal Greer was a very good player in his time, but there are other aspects of the game that should be noticed as well, in this draft.[/quote]yeah, like his 5 rpg and 4 apg, solid numbers for a 2 guard who played with Wilt in Philly and still scored over 20 ppg.[quote name='Zards' post='426543' date='Jul 25 2007, 11:37 PM']2) That is a pointless argument, you can't even compare Hal Greer with Kemp, Strickland, Divac, and Bosh, considering the fact that they all play different positions. Greer may be better than Houston, but wait until Gilbert Arenas finishes playing in the NBA, then we'll compare these two. Comparing 15 years of individual success with 6 years of individual success isn't fair at all, and Gilbert Arenas has already shown statistically that he is a better scorer than Greer was.. which is kind of surprising because back in the days when Greer was playing there was obviously less talent and competition at his position.. totally opposite of what the SG spot is today.[/quote]well it specifically stated we were drafting on accomplishments up until today, not what they MIGHT do so Greer is head and shoulders ahead of Arenas and the rest because of what HE DID accomplish.It's not my fault players with 6 years and less experience got drafted. I didn't take anyone like that.as for GA being a better scorer, read what I mentioned above[quote name='Zards' post='426543' date='Jul 25 2007, 11:37 PM']Athleticism helps a lot of raw and inept NBA players score on the offensive end, those who are athletic, of course. Today's game is much more fast-paced, I seriously doubt you'd see that back in the '50s, '60s and '70s.[/quote]well my point was today's game is more athletic due to the evlolution of athletes. Mostly due to better knowledge of weight training, diet and having better trainers. Top that off with the first class way today's players travel, they're in better shape.Take yesterday's players, give them the same advantages, they'll be good players in today's game too.[quote name='GArenas' post='426600' date='Jul 26 2007, 12:12 AM']Dude, anyone can make their own list. This is kinda forcing me to make one so that I don't lose votes to this. :beee:[/quote]fill your boots.p.s. GA go vote on the other match up too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 26 2007, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think players should be allowed to lobby for votes lol</div>Agreed, I'm going to stop arguing with other people's votes.This is why I disliked Celticfan making that list, I'll probabely make one later tonight if he keeps it up even if personal accomplishments are not nearly as important compared to how your team is constructed.
meh why have this draft is you're not gonna A: discuss the match up and B: list what your players have done to show the reasoning behind your picks?808 said he'd list the accomplishments, but that's a bit much to ask.how you team is constructed is important, but just because you have a good outside shooter who was never a top 5 player at his posistion his entire career doesn't make him better than a HOF player in the least.and I'll post what I damn well please. Like it or hate it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (808Hornetsfan @ Jul 25 2007, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just pointing something out here.... for those of you who are voting make sure you look up some of these players accomplishments before taking the easy road by voting for more current players, the stats do lie because sometimes players have bad seasons. I don't have enough time to go into every little detail about the player, so do your best to make the right decision. Thank you.</div>oh and I posted because 808 said this.just making it easier for everyone to see.I also did it because I enjoyed looking it up.u know.. for fun most people have not seen 3/4's of the players picked in this draft actually play.pretty hard for them to use their 'judgement' when they're gonna be ignorant about players.Hell I've found out a lot researching players to draft.I thought voters who didn't do the research the people in the draft did, would appreciate some info.CB4 asked for stats too.Hell GAreans if you want me to, I'll post your players accomplishments later tonight.no skin off my nose.
My vote goes to CelticFan.... looking at his team overall he's got talent in all aspects of the game. For one thing, Wilt Chamberlain alone would need to be constantly double-teamed, leaving the brutal Charles Barkley to take over in the low-post. He's got Isiah Thomas who is like the conductor of a symphony... his vision of the court allows him to spread the offense and assist players through tight holes.To say that Dirk Nowitzki can't play SF is BS IMO, he may not get as many looks on the perimeter but he sure would overpower most of his defenders, now Pippen is the perfect guy to contain him but like I said... CelticFan has way too many options for GArenas to handle. And looking at the bench, you have basically the same amount of talent that can put up points as well as defend the basket. Goodrich, Ritchmond, English, Schayes and Cowens all are huge sparks for this team, this was a close decision for me but in the end I looked at it overall and CelticFan has the upper-hand in all areas IMO. You just can't beat a lineup in which each starter brings something different and unique to the table, that's how you build a championship team.
I posted in the general nba and the general non-ball to alert others to come by and vote.. maybe it didn't work
I'll go with Celtic fan here. Having Dikembe is good but Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest center ever and even on Dikembers best days guarding Hakeem and Patrick he didn't really slow them down much. and if there is one guy who could slow down Magic Johnson it was Isiah Thomas. Stickland is highly overrated in my book, he was just good but he never had the mental espect to really lead a team or make him great. Gail Goodrich is more of a two in my opinion, and the lack of another real one does hurt Celticfan. but with Wilt Chamberlain, Charles Barkley, Dirk, Mitch Richmond, Vince Carter ect, you don't really need to run a set offense. Vlade Divacs trying to guard Wilt or Cowens would just be comical, he'd fall down even when he wasn't trying to. You also have to love Celticsfan guard line up, Mitch Richmond and Alex English were two guys who always gave Pippen trouble defensively, and with a bigman able to kick it out to them for open jumpshots they'd be deadly.
