I don't understand why you want to invent things I never said. I never said outlaw having 19 kids or being a religious reactionary. I do say they have no right to impose their sexist homophobic religious bigotry on my life by outlawing what I do. Which they insist they have the "right" to do. I agree with those who say they should not be rewarded with extra tax breaks, or for that matter, publicity. I can't prove someone is not in heaven. The ones who claim there is a heaven and that a given person is there have the obligation to make their case, not me. Actually, I do understand why some women believe in such things. They've been told from the time they learn to talk that their value is in producing offspring, preferably male, that being a woman means they are inferior and subordinate. That they have nothing, absolutely nothing, to offer their god or the world but their uterus. It's like the health care debate, keep saying death panels and people start thinking it's true. But at some point a person has to start thinking for him/herself and question whether what he/she hears is true. I admit it's hard when someone is kept from hearing alternate views.
Just wondering, because I don't know anything about this family. Any one of those 18 kids been in jail? Dropped out of school? Said that they resent their parents for taking their childhood? Gone hungry? I didn't get to play Little League b/c my parents were a two-income household and I had to babysit my brothers after school from the time I turned 9 1/2 and was able to get the CPR card the base required. I only had two brothers--is it immoral to have 3-child families?
And I'm not surprised you fail to grasp that you're actually advocating government-mandated family limits. Why do you hate freedom? Hayseed, that's not much different than Manhattan. I'm sorry you haven't traveled enough to know that every part of Japan or China isn't Tokyo or Hong Kong. I agree wholeheartedly. You're following fools before you.
We have laws on abortion, marriage, and adoption, why not on the amount of children you can have? What's the difference? Hick, I can guarantee you I've seen much more of the world than you. No shit not all of Japan and China are like that yet, but they're sure moving closer and closer to it each day, just like us... I'm simply amazed you can't understand this basic concept. My view is based on nothing more than common sense and necessity. I'd love it if we lived in a perfect world where people could do whatever they want without any consequence, but we don't.
Its too bad she doesn't have an expiration date! Dante, your avatar picture looks like that woman is ready in a gloryhole room!
And who says those laws are good? Golly, if you guarantee it, well I guess that settles it. Like I said, you can help with overpopulation. You just have to decide whether you're willing to make the sacrifice.
Sure. Right now the law of the United States says marriage is between one man and one woman. That means gay people are exluded as are people who believe in polygamy. But why does government concern itself with marriage at all? What business is it of the government's who loves one another? It seems to me to be one concerning the church. Governmental interference in marriage is a bad idea. Just like your idea is a bad one.
I stand corrected, my apologies. My personal viewpoint is that it wouldn't be made illegal and as others had responded to that I wanted to set the record straight. Except that homosexuals getting married don't further burden the system whereas having 8+ kids most definitely does. And as I said earlier, it's already not fair with non-parents getting penalized. I think that's why we need a different way to tax people that is more equitable. That being said, I think that education is a compact (to a point) that society makes among itself to educate their citizens.
Think you misunderstood, I'm not asking for your opinion on the laws or a definition of them, I'm asking what the difference is between regulating those things and regulating child-birth. I'm with you on marriage, so at least we agree on something. I think the need to regulate child-birth (reasonably) in this day and age is much more important than outlawing gay marriage. I don't see the problem with gay marriage at all. I can tell neither of us will budge, so if you feel like continuing this feel free to PM me. Otherwise you can have the last say and I won't be reading it.
Actually Japan has been declining and they are encouraging their citizens to have chidren. They are starting to consider giving more right to their second class citizens to get more population. But yes, China and India more so, are the problem.
Married couples have certain rights that dating couples do not. If I am married to a wealthy woman and she dies, I now have power of attorney unless otherwise stated. But if I'm dating a wealthy gay man, most states we can't married. If he doesn't have a will, and he dies, his family that he may hate, would get all of the resources. This is a very greedy example, but it makes the point that married couples have rights that dating couples do not.
