OT 19 Kids And Counting star Josh Duggar, 33, pleads not guilty to federal child porn charges

I feel like you and Sly keep going back to the ones that act on it, and I'm not talking about them. I have only agreed with you guys that the people who act on it should be punished severely.

 

I don't know enough about Asperger's nor about the LGBTQ community to say but I'm willing to learn if only you two could agree on something.

 

Help me out, what's the ASD umbrella?

 

Why would you punish them? Why not prevent them from harming others and then try and treat them until they're fit for release back into society, if ever, unless you're feeding your need for revenge. This punishment idea never has made sense to me.

 

Autism Spectrum Disorder. Various conditions that were once spoken of as separate conditions, like Asperger's, have been folded into the autism spectrum.

 

Make sure to drop a hit of acid before watching, just to catch up with this YouTuber.

 

Meanwhile, an Arkansas pediatrician reported that after the state banned treatment for transgender youth, four of her patients attempted suicide.

 

How do you know these techniques? Did you look at pictures and drawings?

After all, the legal system says that looking at pictures is the same thing as doing whatever's in the pictures.

 

You admit it's an addiction, yet you want to shove your weight around with punishment, not caring whether it deters. And you define "act on it" as including anything you want. Now that the legal system monitors what we look at without acting, is the next step to define "act on it" as just thinking without acting?

Thank you, Lanny. Anyone who thinks like a Christian will believe that prison sentences should be the minimum necessary to change behavior, not the maximum to punish. Deterrence is all that matters. Punishment is for the ego-tripping haters in this thread. I still practice love, my guiding principle.

Edit to add:

...but not organized religion.

 

I really don't think deterrence works. Since it's so underground, I sometimes wonder how widespread the real problem is.

 

I told you earlier, I think the only way is to make them feel like they can come forward and get treatment before they act on it.

Deterrence and eradication doesn't work. It never has. Not with addiction or mental illness. We have been trying to eradicate and deter the drug problem in America for my entire life. We have spent trillions of dollars. We have made ZERO progress. It doesn't work. Busting pedos and shutting down the rings that trade the child porn is not doing anything to actually stop the problem.

 

When has that ever worked?

 

The irony about punishment is that the more severe it is, the more extreme behavior you create. To illustrate this, let's take an absurd extreme: suppose jaywalking was punishable by the death penalty. Well, the moment someone is guilty of jaywalking, they no longer have anything to lose, in their mind. There's no longer anything deterring them from robbery, murder, etc...they're already walking dead. Anything they need to do to evade capture is rational and anything they need to do to survive if they do evade capture is rational.

Bringing it back to this subject, let's take someone like Josh Duggar, who doesn't want to go as far as to sexually violate a child, but tries to secretly and quietly get his rocks off with child porn on his computer. If we, as Tyrant suggests, punish that with torture unto death, then the moment he takes even the step to look at child porn, there's nothing deterring him from going even further and molesting or assaulting children. So yes, you may deter some people from even looking at child porn, but you may also push some people into going further because the punishment is the same but the "gratification" (in their minds) is greater.

I don't know what the right solution is here, I've never really put a great deal of thought into this particular subject. But generations and even millennia of criminal justice paradigms (and torture attempts) have come to the conclusion that simply ratcheting up punishments higher and higher don't yield the desired results.

And that's before even getting into the moral question of whether government and society should be in the torture or execution business.

 

Oh okay, I missed that. I thought his case was about images of child abuse. Well, then, forget him as an example.

 

I still don't understand how he dodged that one.

 

Unrelated to the main topic, I knew this dude when I was younger.

https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/2014/12/oregon_city_man_with_sexual_in.html

Six years seems a little light honestly. I mentioned him earlier. Very strange guy when I knew him. Never really talked to anyone. Kinda just followed people around and.... watched. He was home schooled and didn't know how to be around people. There has to be something profoundly wrong with someone to be attracted to babies. Something broken in his mind. That's why I think it's clearly a kind of mental illness. I just don't know if there's really anything that can be done to treat it.