2 lesbians adopt a baby boy.....6 years later, he starts sex change therapy....

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    Of course it's relevant. It's the crux of the argument here. Sex with a minor is illegal and a crime because the child is legislated by our country to be not of the age or mental capacity to consent legally to that decision. Yet you're attempting to make the case that in this scenario, the child is capable of making this informed assent to a procedure that is not medically required. My contention is that the child is not capable of informed consent, and that the laws are being broken in giving the child hormone therapy he/she desires to make the child happy.

    You can't have it both ways, and the dichotomy/hypocracy of that is what I keep asking about.

    As for the LASIK and breast enhancement, doctors won't do them presumably because it's regulated against by (in various forms) the federal government. I don't know for a fact that it's regulated against only because "proper studies haven't been done," but I'll buy off on that presumption. Yet if two parents gave their permission for their daughter to get the breast enhancement that would really make her happy, and her therapist was on board and they found a doctor to do the procedure, it would still be against federal regulations until she is 18 (or 22 if she wanted silicone).
     
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    I see little difference here between this child and preteens engulfed in the child beauty pageant circuit.

    Little more than helpless toys for their parent's manipulation. It's all a form of pedophillia IMO.
     
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    What's to rebut? It's insane that anyone can be led to believe they're gay or wrong gender by upbringing.
     
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    There's no law against LASIK, breast enhancement/reduction, or this pre-gender change therapy. None.

    Not for minors or anyone.

    Any dichotomy is you making it out like there's a crime or some other bad activity going on.

    You can't read the child's mind. The shrinks are spending years if therapy with her to validate that she is what she says. Trust the experts - govt. is not involved.
     
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    But they aren't the parents. They are the adopted parents. If the birth parents came forward and expressed that they thought this was wrong and attempted to stop the procedure, would you have different feelings? This is a case of two people with no blood relation raising a child who now wants to have a significant life changing procedure done to their body.

    I am not against gay couples adopting children. I think the foster care system is already fucked up and if two people will give a child a loving home, that's great. Better than the alternative, but it seems to me that these women are making a severe lapse in judgement. Parents are chosen on their ability to provide a good home and make good decisions in the absence of the birth parents. This is not a good decision.

    I just feel that this sends the message that being gay is a curable disease. If you are a homosexual, we can give you some hormones and make a few snips and you're no longer a woman in a mans body. Now you're just a woman. I think they're ignoring the real problem, which is the psychological baggage that seems to go with being "gender confused". You were born the way you are because that's what makes you unique and beautiful. It's why I'm against virtually all cosmetic surgery and why I don't like breast implants, nose jobs, etc. If this boy is confused about who he is, maybe they should be trying to address his confusion so that he can accept that he's gay and move on in life. It's easy to say, "we will give you this procedure and everything will be fine" but it will not be fine. He will still have all the emotional baggage but he will no longer have a penis. I have known many gay men who are happy with life because they are comfortable with who they are.

    If I would have been presented with an option at that age that would have made my life all better and taken away all my pain, I probably would have done it too. Unfortunately there is only one procedure that can take your pain away and make it all better.... euthanasia.
     
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    First of all, I don't see why some parental rights apply to adoptive parents and some don't.

    There's no emotional baggage like you claim. I know people who have had the operation and they are much happier than before.

    I agree with you for the most part about cosmetic surgery, but that's our choice.

    As far as how you're born, there are a lot of genetic mistakes made. Twins joined at the hip. A sheep in the news recently born with two heads, etc. This seems like something along those lines to me.
     
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    First of all this thread has nothing at all to do with whether this child is gay or hetero.

    The child has never claimed to be gay nor is there any indication he is.

    He has been raised to believe he's the victim of some boo-boo of nature and was given the wrong type of body.

    This thread is about the minority assumption that nature doesn't know WTF it's doing when it creates life.
     
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    Nor can "the shrinks" read his mind.

    Having known a couple of child psychologists and seen the mess their own child was I'd never let a child of mine anywhere near them.

    As with most professionals, their primary goal is to make $. To say their chosen field somehow makes them trustworthy is absurd.
     
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    I think you are confusing gender identity with sexual orientation? Presumably this 8 year old kid isn't sexually attracted to any gender as of yet.

    I'm with you on the cosmetic surgery, though.

    I've been told you are going to burn in hell for eternity when you die.

    Wait, maybe they meant me rather than you. Never mind.

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    Parental rights are different when you have a child placed in your care by the government. You are subject to the scrutiny of the government, probably more so than a natural parent.

    "At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder."

    That seems like baggage to me, but I've never threatened to mutilate myself.

    So are you saying that being born gay is a "genetic mistake"?
     
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    The government must be scrutinizing this case.



    No baggage AFTER the operation.


    No. I don't confuse gender disorder with sexual preference.
     
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    Sexual preference sounds like being gay is a choice, when for most it is not.
     
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    Of the people, by the people, and for the people, eh?
     
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    This is quite possible, whether due to being born that way or due to being raised that way.

    Logic then follows that the same is true for all other sexual "preferences" such as pedophilia and beastiality and of course heterosexuality.

    I "prefer" chocolate shakes to vanilla shakes. Is that a choice? Certainly not a conscious one. I'm pretty sure I was born with it. I was not raised in a home where others preferred chocolate, nor was it ever pushed on me. The rest of my family could take it or leave it. I've just always "preferred" chocolate to just about any other flavor.
     
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    I am 100% certain that this is what Maris was talking about. :grin:

    [video=youtube;pGL2rytTraA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGL2rytTraA&ob=av3e[/video]
     
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