<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">It would be nice to add another big man who can play. But, we have Biedrins who does simliar job, and we need to save every penny we can possible. If we can get him cheap, like a mil per year, I would do it though...</div> Well, he's opting out of his contract in which he would make 1.76 million next year so i would imagine hes gouing for at least 2 million.
Dang, that sucks. I mean, it would be really nice to add another back up center, especially our '3rd' center is Murphy. I guess we can fill that spot with draft pick...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll try to steer the topic back on track here. It was reported a few weeks ago that Chris Anderson is opting out of his contract to test the free agent waters. He'd be a great pick-up for us IMO, he hustles, provides a spark off the bench, blocks shots, but no offense other than dunks. His stats are very similar to Dalembert but he does it off the bench. I can imagine he and Foyle both averaging 1.5-2 blocks a game. It makes me giddy. He would probably cost about 2-3 mil a year which isn't bad. I could see him fitting in well in Golden State, he would get plenty of dunks off of Baron assists and he could come in for Murphy and provide solid defense.</div> I'm not sure about Andersen. He is unorthadox, and is really a rebounder. Also if we get him, it is likely we will not be able to retian Zarko and Pietrus. But if we can trade Fisher in a sign and trade or something, I'd be happy
Chris Andersen seems way too out of control, but I like his energy and hustle. He's definitely not a sloth. Maybe REREM knows some good 2nd round power forward/ centers that are just plain underrated.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Chris Andersen seems way too out of control, but I like his energy and hustle. He's definitely not a sloth. Maybe REREM knows some good 2nd round power forward/ centers that are just plain underrated.</div> Easiest way is to get Digou. He's good. He's a bit of a small Shawn Marion in my opinion. We will be lucky if we get him
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Easiest way is to get Digou. He's good. He's a bit of a small Shawn Marion in my opinion. We will be lucky if we get him</div> C'mon man, no freakin' way. That's like comparing Rashard Lewis to Mike Dunleavy Jr. The similarities are very subtle. Actually, nevermind, they sort are similar when it comes to "disappearing" or not driving to the basket more or playing soft. Um, it's like comparing Lebron James to Mike Dunleavy Jr. There.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">C'mon man, no freakin' way. That's like comparing Rashard Lewis to Mike Dunleavy Jr. The similarities are very subtle. Actually, nevermind, they sort are similar when it comes to "disappearing" or not driving to the basket more or playing soft. Um, it's like comparing Lebron James to Mike Dunleavy Jr. There.</div> Wait I wrote the wrong thing. I meant he could be our own version of him. Not the same gameplay, but the same type of attitude and stats. He could be a great guy off the bench.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Wait I wrote the wrong thing. I meant he could be our own version of him. Not the same gameplay, but the same type of attitude and stats. He could be a great guy off the bench.</div> Shane Battier is pretty much those qualities and a good choice for having the consummate pro. Maybe he can be similar to him in being intense, defending, scoring inside, performing under pressure, etc. He might even be able to extend his shot range to the corner from 3 point land.
Why did Diogu lead the NCAA in FTM? because he's an aggressive,tough dude who attacks,not unlike Marion. If someone can compare Martynas A to Sabonis, A Diogu-Marion comparison is not at all a stretch. Dwayne Jones is the most interesting potential rd 2 guy,though he can rise to late rd 1,or withdraw,being a jr. His RBD/shotblock stats are close to Sheldon Williams,but Jones is 6-11. He scored about 10 per. So far,not a big scorer-shooter,but he does have useful skills,so he can get minutes and maybe some offense comes later,like J James or Dalembert. Kevin Pittsnogle, W VA is also a 6-11 jr,but much different. He has a sweet shooting touch and led WV to surprise tournament success. He wasn't a starter early season,so his season stats don't give a clear picture. Very good outside shooter but shows some inside game and can get better. Juan Mendez is interesting. A husky 6-7,his stats look kind of like Diogu 20-10,good shotblocks,fg%. Since Niagra is small-time,relatively, he's not even a sure #2,but against major opponents-his numbers were still good. Never got to see him,however. Deng Gai of Fairfield is a 6-9 shotblock specialist,only saw a clip,and he's quick,really a leaper. Had a triple double with 11 blocks one game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Shane Battier is pretty much those qualities and a good choice for having the consummate pro. Maybe he can be similar to him in being intense, defending, scoring inside, performing under pressure, etc. He might even be able to extend his shot range to the corner from 3 point land.</div> Battier is a much less physical player than Diogu,not as intense on inside offense but a good outside shooter and a defender. I like Battier,he may yet become a more prolific scorer
I wish we had Battier on our team now instead of Dunleavy. Sure Battier may not be the best ballhandler, the best free throw shooter, but he is a great defender and is pretty clutch. He's a good leader and he's very smart. Maybe we can convince some team to take Dunleavy and we get Ike Diogu. I know we'll bite hard on defense, but Pietrus at the 2, Richardson at the 3 does sound like a fun lineup, just not a full time, conventional lineup. Richardson plays more like a forward anyway, but that would take away his mismatch at the 2 guard spot. Also the thing that keeps Pietrus from being a true 2 guard is that he's not the best passer, has no midrange game, and he's a streak shot, but he can get to the foul line easily because he's too quick for most players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Easiest way is to get Digou. He's good. He's a bit of a small Shawn Marion in my opinion. We will be lucky if we get him</div> I think you meant big Shawn Marion,Marion is about 10-15lb lighter,an inch or 2 shorter
My sense is the W's will troll for opportunities,but won't feel a dire need to shoot the budget on an FA who is not good enough to earn a big role here. If there is an underrated guy,who'd be a bargain,and they feel he'd turn into something...who knows? Trades are a bit similar,except very complicated. Teams want to deal their fading,overpaid veterans,and that won't help us. The W's will inquire,see if a guy we do want can be had,at a price we like. Perceptions differ,and some guys fit in on one team,not another.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">I think you meant big Shawn Marion,Marion is about 10-15lb lighter,an inch or 2 shorter </div> Well I'm not the one that has seen him play. I've only seen local guys play.
Yeah, but if we have the #9, either we trade down and get an additional expiring contract or we trade the #9 and dump a bad contract, but I pray we don't waste a #9 on a role player that's "underrated". Crap, we'll practically be warped back to the PJ/Twardzick era if we do. Let's not go safe, get the high risk/high potential player even if it's a Kwame Brown, Dasagna Diop or a Tskitishvilli or some other trend in the draft. Dunleavy at #3, guys. Let's try to go for broke rather than choose safe and find the combo of attitude + ability + nba body.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, but if we have the #9, either we trade down and get an additional expiring contract or we trade the #9 and dump a bad contract, but I pray we don't waste a #9 on a role player that's "underrated". Crap, we'll practically be warped back to the PJ/Twardzick era if we do. Let's not go safe, get the high risk/high potential player even if it's a Kwame Brown, Dasagna Diop or a Tskitishvilli or some other trend in the draft. Dunleavy at #3, guys. Let's try to go for broke rather than choose safe and find the combo of attitude + ability + nba body.</div> Custodian,If you MUST get a big body out of that pick,check out HS 7 footer Reggie Bynum, 7-0 300,yet pretty mobile,hustles,has some skills. I am not sure if you want to get Diop,or just are okay with the risk of getting the next Diop. If I'm going high risk,for a Center,Blatche and Bynum have more skills now than several of the Euros. The idea of giving away a lottery pick just to unload a contract-I assume Fish or Foyle,is too desperate. Let the Knicks go there,they are REALLY dragging some ugly contracts. I don't buy the notion Diogu,Warrick,Granger,Simien,Frye,can not be real quality pros. I keep hearing this line that a 6-8 PF can't cut it-yet Kenyon Martin,and Elton Brand were 6-8 PF's who were top of the draft. I often have expressed a reluctance to advocate any of the imports usually alleged to be lottery potential. I have not seen them play. Their stats suck,which tends to make me wonder what is behind the hype. In the case of F Vargas,he is 22 now,a year older than Diogu,older than some seniors,so the reality that he's still trying to establish some game in Euro-ball at that age makes me suspicious. I want a forward who can play now,who soon gives us better D than either Dunleavy or Murphy,who can rebound,score in traffic,works hard,stays in shape,hustles,has both star quality and versatility. I realize nobody else saw Diogu in the games I watched,but maybe some saw Granger-who also fits that description,though Granger in fact would be small at PF-yet quite able to play the 2 or 3,and even a better 4 than several guys who are currently in the league. LSU's Brandon Bass is also in,and as he withdrew last year-stays in this time. Bass is almost exactly the size of Diogu,anmd is also an efficient scorer and a tough rebounder. Ike has more range,better D,more consistancy,but Bass may last untill rd 2. i have mentioned Dwayne Jones before,and nobody commented. In rebounding + shotblocks he was up there with Sheldon Williams. a 6-11 C,he is not a tweener. As he has NBA ready skills-rebounding+blocks-he can play some role for sure and while nobody calls him an offensive force,he outscored all the big Euro-teens. Jones had a triple double in one game this year...11 shotblocks. Whether he is a late 1 or high 2,he'd be a real nice pick. Potential? If he's athletic enough to excell in some areas,maybe he also becomes a scorer. The W's may gamble with either of their #2's. Mullin might get some up close,personal look at one of the Euro's and see something. He may trade down a couple of slots,like to #12,a Clipper's pick,adding their early rd 2 in the deal. He could deal Dunleavy,for a pick,for a player. While Foyle's contract is a bit of an overpay,we won't just dump him,and hope whoever has enough game to fill the void. Adonal's shotblocking is the main inside D we have. Biedrens is a good supplement,but is still short on bulk and foul prone. A guy like Petro-Taft-Splitter-Martynas would not likely help much for a year or more. Blatche or Bynum may be as effective now as Taft,but lacking any college would probably need work in some skills. LaSalle F Steven Smith is a 6-9 soph who had better overall numbers,more consistancy,than Charlie Villanueva, but is not even listed as a rd 2 on some mocks. They may assume he will withdraw. It seems to me he really accomplished a lot for a soph. Jose Juan Barea,a 6-0 g from Northeastern is an interesting sleeper,quite a shooter-scorer with some all-round game. He declared. It may prove to be a nervous draft for those high in the lottery-but a graet draft for rd2 sleepers,bargains
