2005 Offseason Trade/Draft Thread

Lakers also have a buttload of small forwards like Caron Butler, Devean George, Jumaine Jones, and point guard Chucky Atkins isn't happy with Kobe's high volume shooting so Fisher sounds like something they'd want, but what about his contract? Depends on what the Lakers think they could get in the FA or through trades. Personally, I think Jumaine Jones would give the Warriors that aggressive defender that can play either forward spot, but it would leave us without a backup guard if Fisher goes back to the Lakers unless we draft one or trade for one. I think Fisher is solid as long as he knows his role and doesn't try to press and go beyond his capabilties. It's like when Troy Murphy was going all nuts with the ball in his hands he was shooting 40% or below. He's so much better when he scores in the flow of things and takes the ball inside to the rack with that huge first step for a dunk, rather than try to settle for jumpers with the defense ready to get a hand in his face.

Besides Fisher will be 2nd year BYC which makes it hard to trade him.

Trade I'd love to see go down (But the Lakers might not like and essentially the trade doesn't really help them that much or at all)

L.A. Lakers Receives
SF Rodney White
PG Derek Fisher
Warriors First Round

Golden State receives:
SF Jumaine Jones
C Chris Mihm
Lakers first round

We get another baseline shooter that can play defense and is explosive and can help with the rebounding. And we get our bigman center that can block shots and score inside.

Lakers get their nostalgia by bringing back Fisher and benching Atkins. Rodney white will give them a forward with some post presence and additional scoring. And they could use the higher pick to land somebody that could play with Kobe.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Lakers also have a buttload of small forwards like Caron Butler, Devean George, Jumaine Jones, and point guard Chucky Atkins isn't happy with Kobe's high volume shooting so Fisher sounds like something they'd want, but what about his contract? Depends on what the Lakers think they could get in the FA or through trades. Personally, I think Jumaine Jones would give the Warriors that aggressive defender that can play either forward spot, but it would leave us without a backup guard if Fisher goes back to the Lakers unless we draft one or trade for one. I think Fisher is solid as long as he knows his role and doesn't try to press and go beyond his capabilties. It's like when Troy Murphy was going all nuts with the ball in his hands he was shooting 40% or below. He's so much better when he scores in the flow of things and takes the ball inside to the rack with that huge first step for a dunk, rather than try to settle for jumpers with the defense ready to get a hand in his face.

Besides Fisher will be 2nd year BYC which makes it hard to trade him.

Trade I'd love to see go down (But the Lakers might not like and essentially the trade doesn't really help them that much or at all)

L.A. Lakers Receives
SF Rodney White
PG Derek Fisher
Warriors First Round

Golden State receives:
SF Jumaine Jones
C Chris Mihm
Lakers first round

We get another baseline shooter that can play defense and is explosive and can help with the rebounding. And we get our bigman center that can block shots and score inside.

Lakers get their nostalgia by bringing back Fisher and benching Atkins. Rodney white will give them a forward with some post presence and additional scoring. And they could use the higher pick to land somebody that could play with Kobe.</div>

That would be something I'd love to see happen if we were to move Dunleavy because we would have Jones off the bench for Pietrus and Biedrins off the bench for Mihm. This team would be a contender

 

That could fly. Dropping to the Lakers #1 still should give us a shot at the picks I like,at least one of them,and may save us from a draft mistake on a semi-big project. While Mihm is never going to star, with him,Andy,Adonal, we'd have enough that we could go with whoever is matching up well. J Jones has,so far, a lot more game than White,and we shed Fish's contract which is a bit stiff now but will be a bigger burden in a few years when we'd be paying more for a guy who'd lost a step. There are point G's lower in the draft,and some who are floating around the league ,not getting much action. Short term,we should find an adequate backup,with upgrade later. I have never had a sense of what to expect from Jones,it's as if I've seen a different player every time I saw him,sometimes quite good,other times not a factor. Still,if he does not mesh,he has more market than White. Historically,the C role has been a Warriors problem,There have been bad draft picks,bad trades in a desperate effort to upgrade at C. Bringing in Mihm can help in that we are less tempted to give up real quality to obtain some big guy who has nothing.

 

<font color="#ff0000">L.A. Lakers trades: SF <u><font color="#0000ff">Jumaine Jones</font></u>(7.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.8 minutes) C <u><font color="#0000ff">Chris Mihm</font></u>(9.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 24.9 minutes) C <u><font color="#0000ff">Brian Grant</font></u>(3.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 16.6 minutes) </font>
<font color="#ff0000">L.A. Lakers receives: PG <u><font color="#0000ff">Derek Fisher</font></u>(11.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.1 apg in 30.1 minutes) SF <u><font color="#0000ff">Mike Dunleavy</font></u>(13.4 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 2.6 apg in 32.7 minutes) SF <u><font color="#0000ff">Rodney White</font></u>(5.0 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.8 apg in 11.6 minutes) C <u><font color="#0000ff">Adonal Foyle</font></u>(4.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +13.5 ppg, <font color="#ff0000">-0.1</font> rpg, and +6.2 apg.
<font color="#ff0000">Golden State trades: PG <u><font color="#0000ff">Derek Fisher</font></u>(11.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.1 apg in 30.1 minutes) SF <u><font color="#0000ff">Mike Dunleavy</font></u>(13.4 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 2.6 apg in 32.7 minutes) SF <u><font color="#0000ff">Rodney White</font></u>(5.0 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.8 apg in 11.6 minutes) C <u><font color="#0000ff">Adonal Foyle</font></u>(4.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.6 minutes) </font>
<font color="#ff0000">Golden State receives: SF <u><font color="#0000ff">Jumaine Jones</font></u>(7.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.8 minutes) C <u><font color="#0000ff">Chris Mihm</font></u>(9.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 24.9 minutes) C <u><font color="#0000ff">Brian Grant</font></u>(3.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 16.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: <font color="#ff0000">-13.5</font> ppg, +0.1 rpg, and <font color="#ff0000">-6.2</font> apg.

<font color="#00ff00">TRADE ACCEPTED

<font color="#000000">There were BYC players involved in this trade, so this trade is subject to the BYC provisions of the CBA. Due to L.A. Lakers and Golden State being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Golden State had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out unless trade exceptions were used for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


I'd love to see that happen. We buyout Grant and sign Swift, and draft Raymond Felton, Anglo Gigigli and SG. Then try to trade Murphy for Simmons (sign + trade) and:

PG: Baron Davis/ Raymond Felton
SG: Jason Richardson/ /Mickael Pietrus 2nd rounder
SF: Bobby Simmons/ Jumaine Jones/ Zarko Cabarkapa
PF: Stromile Swift/ Zarko Cabarkapa/ Anglo Gigli
C: Chris Mihm/ Andris Biedrins/ FA
</font></font></font></font>

 

I don't think the clippers trade will happen with Elton Brand at power forward. Plus we lack some pure shooting and some chemistry guys. I would assumed we would have kept Dunleavy in the starting rotation. If not, I think our ideal glue guy would be somebody like Joe Johnson or ... hmm. Joe Johnson? We have no chance of getting him though. I just can't think of any other wing who has court vision, ballhandling and passing skills and can defend (Of course any sun doesn't play defense even though they can). Also, Chemistry is not something you want to change when the Warriors have found it this year. We just need to get some darned inside presence on both ends and get more athletic, without sacrificing shooters or passers.

 

Mock Drafts
http://www.draftcity.com/mock.php?y=2005
http://www.nbadraft.net/index.asp
http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm (Entertaining at least)
http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-mock-draft.shtml (Sean May at #4? ROFL)

Draft Resources (About the Draft):
http://coscorrosa.com/draft/

 

Wow, I'm really surprised that trade got past the BYC restrictions. The Lakers would love to give up Grant - even if they had to take back Foyle and Fisher, because they are easier to move individually. I'm not sure if we could buyout Brian Grant, because I'm sure the Lakers have tried to - he is owed $30 million over 2 years. A contract is a contract, and we can't persuade him to take less, since there's no incentive for him to go elsewhere either. Thus it'd probably take him near $30 million to buyout and we'd probably have to defer some of the money or something. It'd be great if we could work something out with him before trading, but that's complicated.

 

I think the point is that it would likely take $30 million (the full value of his contract) to buy him out.

There's another mock draft site here:
About.com 2005 draft

The draftcity guys are most active on the foreign scouting and tournaments, while nbadraft.net seems to get a lot of secondhand information but at least updates constantly. The other sites? They're worse than me in how fickle they are rating nba prospects, listening to too many people I think and not doing any of their own scouting at all.

 

Why does Petro mocked that high? Must be his versatility on defense and his passing ability that make him attractive to one or a bunch of scouts. Then again he might be confused as going low because of his comparrisons to Jerome Moiso, who was an NBA player that failed, primarily because he was lazy and he was too raw.

I think having a player like Jumaine Jones would be a plus. We could use another set shooter and defender that can also run out and finish in the open court. Some may not like him because he doesn't drive enough, but he's pretty explosive from his spots and Jim Barnett can't help but comment how he can get hot and then bury a team singlehandedly.

 

Petro rode a lot of early season hype like Taft, but people are realizing he's not all that he's cracked up to be because he's playing so few minutes for his team, unlike other Euros. His athleticism is a big plus and the NBA always has a room for that kind of player (even if only at the end of rotations), such as Steven Hunter or Chris Anderson, who have small roles but stick on rosters just because of their physical abilities allowing them to be good shotblockers/rebounders.

Jones is really streaky though, and much like Fisher, can create some potential headaches. I thought highly of him since he came out of college, but it's been about 6 years now and he barely cracked the Lakers rotation until getting major minutes near the end of the season due to injuries. Now, the Lakers are a bad situation for him, but I'm still a bit wary of him after all that downtime.

 

I doubt Jones can create as many headaches as Fisher because he wouldn't be handling the ball as much since he's not a point guard. The thing that wasn't cool about Fisher a while ago was that he was the team's only backup point and he would start shooting low percentage shots he's not set up for and often times without passing or having the shotclock down to at least 16 seconds. But yes, they are similar in that they don't drive the ball as much as they should, even if there's an opportunity to get fouled.

Still there's not a whole lot of 6'7-6'8 small forwards that can spread the floor and play defense against guys that are not only quick, but strong. There's James Posey, Bruce Bowen (from select spots), Ricky Davis, Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, a few number of others and I think after that, small forwards with shooting touch stop playing tough defense or they're too damned slow.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">That Lakers trade is brilliant.Even if we didn't buyout Grant we would have a gigantic frontline and we could put Andy at PF and draft a PG at 10 (Jarret Jack should still be around) How much would a Grant buyout cost? Why dont the Lakers buy him out?</div>
Thanks man. I took two hours planning it out

 

How about Chris Jeffries as a summer camp invite for defensive stopper?

I think he got waived for some reason.

 

I think signing some summer players are cool and all, but you have to remember we only have somewhere between 1 and 3 players leaving this summer (Cheaney, White, Skita). Those guys are our 10th/11th/12th men. We have a rookie and 2 draft picks, so we should keep some room open for them. Of course if one of big guys (Biedrins/rookies) played outstanding ball, we'd probably put Adonal back at the end of the bench too, so there'd still be enough room in a 9 man rotation.

As a 12th guy, Jeffries could work, though there are a ton of guys out there too that would love a shot. Jeffries has been bumming around pro leagues in the U.S. I would probably take White before I take Jeffries, although Jeffries is better defensively. Even on the Bulls two years though, when they only had Linton Johnson, he didn't get minutes. Maybe he was just too skinny back then, I'm not really sure.

 

As noted 3 guys seem likely to exit and we have 3 draft picks. Of course those "minor injuries" can mean an extra guy is on ice. Various trade scenarios could open an additional slot. There are always guys in the talent pool who are close to NBA ready-a few do well once they get the opportunity. You won't find a great shooter or a stud big man,but a defensive stopper,a good playmaker point who is not a big scorer might be a plus.

 

I noticed Casey Jacobsen will be an FA, a smaller Dunleavy,maybe a better pure shooter and much cheaper. Any trade Dunleavy,start Pietrus scenario would figure to add in some cost effective backup at 2G.

 

Cheany at this point is like Chris Mills used to be,a fair backup midsize guy. But there is no longer any hope he might become anything beyond what he is. Given how long he's been in the league,his contract can't be as cheap as someone fresh from the CBA or NBDL,and he doesn't play better than some of those walk-ons can. Since the W's are building,a roster spot for a guy who MIGHT turn into a plus is useful. We got Boykins,Cardinal,in the past. It looks like a wierd draft,with a lot of projects,and there will be unpicked college players of value too.