I'm a huge raptor fan but i still think the celts will finish with a better record because I see them making a BIG TRADE. If they don't, the rapts will be on top.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Man I forgot about this thread. You guys are lucky you didn't include Orlando in this deal. EDIT: Orlando Magic: 1st place in the Eastern Conference and tied for best record in the league at 13-4. </div> I'm eating those words for the time being. But we'll see how the season finishes out.
<div class="quote_poster">Bobcats Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Toronto: 7-10 Boston: 5-10 We have bragging rights for now.</div> True dat! Another win for us and a Nets lost means we're on top of the Atlantic
The C's aren't going anywhere. The Raps are still terrible, and this bet is still going to go our way. I'm more than content to wait for the inevitable, and can't wait to do some bragging of my own when it comes. You got more Europeans than Paris, and they aren't exactly what I'd call "hard-nosed." Just you guys wait for a west swing and we'll see who's laughing then. I predict the Raps win less than 30 games this year. I can't wait to see those games the week of the seventeenth, that'll be a laugher.
<div class="quote_poster">Squishface Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The C's aren't going anywhere. The Raps are still terrible, and this bet is still going to go our way. I'm more than content to wait for the inevitable, and can't wait to do some bragging of my own when it comes. You got more Europeans than Paris, and they aren't exactly what I'd call "hard-nosed." Just you guys wait for a west swing and we'll see who's laughing then. I predict the Raps win less than 30 games this year. I can't wait to see those games the week of the seventeenth, that'll be a laugher.</div> We already went on a west coast swing and we still have a better record
<div class="quote_poster">AirJordan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">We already went on a west coast swing and we still have a better record</div> Quoted for Truth We've got the better record despite the harder schedule thus far, and we're 1-0 on the season vs you. Make fun of how many euro's the Raps got...but that doesnt make your lineup look any better. We're the deeper team
<div class="quote_poster">02civic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Quoted for Truth We've got the better record despite the harder schedule thus far, and we're 1-0 on the season vs you. Make fun of how many euro's the Raps got...but that doesnt make your lineup look any better. We're the deeper team</div> To say you're a deeper team is preposterous, and we've already gone over that. You still have to read the rest of the thread to say things like that, and might I add that while you say you went on a west coast swing and still have a better record, you still have another west coast swing this month, and on the last one, you were 0-5, and none of those games were particularly close either, so I can rest easy on that score. As for the harder schedule, that's true, I will hand you that, we've had a pretty easy opening stretch, and not capitalized, but again, there is nothing on that Raps team that makes me think you can win thirty games. You're short on talent, short on coaching, and most of all, short on experience. Now, could I substitute the name Celtics for Raptors and have all those things be true as well? Yes. But we have two things you don't. Certifiable, guaranteed scorers every night. We have two guys that no team will be able to stop night in and night out. And those two guys happen to be team leaders, and they contribute on both ends of the floor (contrary to popular opinion), and they have more experience between them than any three regulars on your team. Let's not also mention that this C's team is mostly injured right now. When I say mostly, that's exactly what I mean, they were playing four on four scrimmages in practice a week ago, because they didn't have enough bodies for a full practice. When some of the inside defense starts to resurrect itself in Theo and the Kandi Man, this team will not only look entirely different, it will start to gel in transition, and we can stop making the scorers work so hard on the offensive end. And when we get our little rematch next month, I will go on record as having stated we'll win by ten or more, and it won't even be a game.
<div class="quote_poster">Squishface Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> You're short on talent, short on coaching, and most of all, short on experience. Now, could I substitute the name Celtics for Raptors and have all those things be true as well? Yes. But we have two things you don't. Certifiable, guaranteed scorers every night. We have two guys that no team will be able to stop night in and night out. And those two guys happen to be team leaders, and they contribute on both ends of the floor (contrary to popular opinion), and they have more experience between them than any three regulars on your team. Let's not also mention that this C's team is mostly injured right now. When I say mostly, that's exactly what I mean, they were playing four on four scrimmages in practice a week ago, because they didn't have enough bodies for a full practice.</div> Who the hell is the other? PP is amazing but if you are talkin about Wally.....wow i'd be shocked if you called him unstoppable. And later you mention Kandi man and Ratliff coming to help get this team over the hump....hahahahahahhahahah hahahahahhaha hahahahahahha
Well, I'll try to go through your post, without the laughter. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Squishface:</div><div class="quote_post">you still have another west coast swing this month, and on the last one, you were 0-5, and none of those games were particularly close either, so I can rest easy on that score.</div> That's not true. The last 3 games (Lakers, Denver, Utah) were pretty close. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Squishface:</div><div class="quote_post">You're short on talent, short on coaching, and most of all, short on experience.</div> This applies to both of us, and maybe even more to the Celtics. Your players are far more inexperienced than ours and, on Friday, Rivers was worse than Mitchell. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Squishface:</div><div class="quote_post">Certifiable, guaranteed scorers every night. We have two guys that no team will be able to stop night in and night out. And those two guys happen to be team leaders, and they contribute on both ends of the floor (contrary to popular opinion), and they have more experience between them than any three regulars on your team.</div> I was curious as to who the 2nd was. Wally Szczerbiak? While I think he's a dependable 2nd option, him and Pierce (we did a good job of preventing him from going off) are the exception to your team. They may be consistent, but you have no idea what your going to get from the other players on your roster on any given night. Chris Bosh is guaranteed for at least 20 pts. and 10 rebs. a game for us. Outside of that we don't have a 2nd scorer like you do, but Garbajosa, Parker, Ford, Calderon, and even Bargnani (for the last 5 games) have made significant contributions on a more consistent basis than the Celtics' surrounding cast. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Squishface:</div><div class="quote_post">When some of the inside defense starts to resurrect itself in Theo and the Kandi Man, this team will not only look entirely different, it will start to gel in transition, and we can stop making the scorers work so hard on the offensive end. And when we get our little rematch next month, I will go on record as having stated we'll win by ten or more, and it won't even be a game</div> Well the Raps have an injured Peterson which has taken our most consistent 3 pt. shot away. But, if you're counting on those two (Ratliff and Olowokandi), I'm not sure what to say. Kandi's out for 2-4 weeks and then you have to factor the time that it'll take him to get back in gameshape and accustomed to his new teammates. That may be a bit too long to wait. I was far less impressed with your team, than I thought I would be. Your defense was just as horrible as ours and nobody was willing to step on the offensive end. Seeing how our chemistry has been steadily improving, I think we take the next game as well.
<div class="quote_poster">AirJordan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i think orlando will break apart, they dont have what it takes to go far yet.</div> How will we break apart? We have enough depth to do good and go far in the playoffs.
Wow, sounds like someone is making excuses. Using the excuses of injuries is going pretty low. Especially when your whole argument is based on Ratliff and Olowokandi, who haven't been any use to anyone for at least a couple of seasons now. Maybe if it was someone like Pierce that was injured, it might make some difference. MoPete (17 PPG last season) has been out injured almost half the games we've played so far (and playing injured in the rest) and we've miraculously found the ability to win a game. This must also be the first time that anyone has described Szczerbiak as unstoppable If it was truly the case that no one is able to stop Pierce and Szczerbiak, night in and night out, your record would be a lot better than it is now. All the stuff you're saying about the Raptors is like the pot calling the kettle black.
I think the Raptors aren't much better than the Cetlics talent-wise, I think whichever team develops better chemistry, has fewer injuries, and has better coaching between Mitchell and Rivers will make the difference.
It's funny how people are fighting for two teams that are below .500 and won't make the playoffs. Nonetheless, look at it this way. Paul Pierce is unstoppable at SG and Bosh is unstoppable at PF/C.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's funny how people are fighting for two teams that are below .500 and won't make the playoffs. Nonetheless, look at it this way. Paul Pierce is unstoppable at SG and Bosh is unstoppable at PF/C.</div> Bosh isn't unstoppable.
Bosh is very stoppable, but that only becomes a problem when we aren't playing team ball. Pierce is also stoppable, I haven't watched the games but looking at the box scores he played very poorly the last few games.
<div class="quote_poster">Squishface Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">To say you're a deeper team is preposterous, and we've already gone over that. You still have to read the rest of the thread to say things like that, and might I add that while you say you went on a west coast swing and still have a better record, you still have another west coast swing this month, and on the last one, you were 0-5, and none of those games were particularly close either, so I can rest easy on that score. As for the harder schedule, that's true, I will hand you that, we've had a pretty easy opening stretch, and not capitalized, but again, there is nothing on that Raps team that makes me think you can win thirty games. You're short on talent, short on coaching, and most of all, short on experience. Now, could I substitute the name Celtics for Raptors and have all those things be true as well? Yes. But we have two things you don't. Certifiable, guaranteed scorers every night. We have two guys that no team will be able to stop night in and night out. And those two guys happen to be team leaders, and they contribute on both ends of the floor (contrary to popular opinion), and they have more experience between them than any three regulars on your team. Let's not also mention that this C's team is mostly injured right now. When I say mostly, that's exactly what I mean, they were playing four on four scrimmages in practice a week ago, because they didn't have enough bodies for a full practice. When some of the inside defense starts to resurrect itself in Theo and the Kandi Man, this team will not only look entirely different, it will start to gel in transition, and we can stop making the scorers work so hard on the offensive end. And when we get our little rematch next month, I will go on record as having stated we'll win by ten or more, and it won't even be a game.</div> 1) And? ya we have another west swing incoming, but we're talking about a 82 game season..in the end it'll even out. ATM we've got the better record playing a tougher schedule...that speaks volumes to me 2) I'm sorry..Wally is not a guy that "no team can stop". He's solid though, and i'll agree he's a much better second option than we currently have. But what we lack in a consistant #2 scorer we make up for with MANY x-factor players. Other than Bosh our team is interchangable at every position, there's no real drop off from the 1st to the 2nd unit. One night its Joey G, the next its Ford, then its Parker and Garbo. Even with Mo Pete not playing very well at all he's still an option to go for 20 any night 3) You're team is mostly injured? hmm....for a second there i forgot our franchise player is playing with the same injury that floored Tim Duncan last year...he's doing 21 and 12 injured. Oh and i almost forgot that we have like A BRAND NEW TEAM. How many players that we have now are new to the team and still learning the system? 90%? 4) You mention Kandi Man...and thats supposed to help your cause? We've got Rasho....we're even..we both have a big body that does little other than play SOME defense.
Marc Stein brought up something interesting. We'll have played more than half of our road games by January, which means that in a division as weak as this, if we need to push for a playoff spot (or maybe even the top of the Atlantic at this rate), it will be more in our favor in March-April due to the home-friendly schedule.
Sorry to double post, but as of right now, the Raptors are tied with the Nets for the "best" record in the Atlantic division. I don't care how miniscule of an accomplishment you Celtics fans think that is, you guys have been losing this bet for the most part, and that's all that needs to be said . And let's not forget that WE BEAT YOU in a head to head game. So as of right now, Celtics fans cannot say sh!t in regards to the bet at hand cause you're LOSING. Perhaps when you're winning the bet you will make me eat my words but right now you can't...because you're LOSING the bet So Raptors fans, let's rejoice by making fun of the Celtics and letting this thread live on, as well as by praying that Sam Mitchell gets fired in the near future.
