^^^ While I do happen to think more highly of Walker than (apparently) others do, there's a lot of newfangled statistical data that says Walker costs teams more than he helps.</p> That said, once he matured in Boston, they were a playoff team regularly with him as the main guy. I think he played a huge role in the Heat's championship run as well.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Causeway)</div><div class='quotemain'> There are certainly some people who go somewhat over-ther-top in bashing the chubby one. There are also some people (*cough* *cough*) who go sort of over-the-top in giving him props. 'Toin did make some allstar teams - yes. Was he to the level of a "superstar"? Absolutely not. Was his effort on-court "equal to KG's"? No. In fact I can think of no one - except for Larry Bird and Jordan - who played as hard and all out as KG.</p> </p></div> True,butit'snotlikeAntoineorPiercedidahalf-assedjobwhentheywerehere.Inthe01/02and02/03seasonsthey gave everything they had, it just wasn't enough.I do agree that KG does play on a whole different level.</p>
[quote name='aquaitious'][quote name='Causeway']</p> True,butit'snotlikeAntoineorPiercedidahalf-assedjobwhentheywerehere.Inthe01/02and02/03seasonsthey gave everything they had, it just wasn't enough. I do agree that KG does play on a whole different level.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> Agreed. Walker made some very poor decisions while on the floor, but I do not question the effort back then. Not on the KG level as you said, but KG's a freak.</p> </p>
If Walker was on the same level as KG, he would have lost some weight first. </p> Good player nonetheless.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> 2007-08 Celtics vs. 1995-96 Bulls</p> Twelve years ago, the Chicago Bulls set a standard of success that many think will never be matched: 72-10 in the regular season. Almost a perfect season.</p> Well, now we have another fast-starting team, and so far they are running with the Bulls. The Boston Celtics are on pace to surpass the Bulls' 72 wins and become the second team to win 70 in a season.</p> Bookmark this page and return after each Celtics game to mark their progress.</p> <table width="603" height="487" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1" border="1"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center"> <table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" class="tablehead"> <tbody> <tr class="stathead"> <th colspan="4">2007-08 Boston Celtics (19-2 Thru 21 Games)</th> </tr> <tr align="center" class="colhead"> <th colspan="4">On pace to finish: 74-8</th> </tr> <tr align="center" class="colhead"> <td>G</td> <td>DATE</td> <td>GAME</td> <td>REC</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>1</td> <td>11/2</td> <td>Washington Wizards <span class="greenfont">W</span> 103-83</td> <td>1-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>2</td> <td>11/4</td> <td>@Toronto Raptors <span class="greenfont">W</span> 98-95 (OT)</td> <td>2-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>3</td> <td>11/7</td> <td>Denver Nuggets <span class="greenfont">W</span> 119-93</td> <td>3-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>4</td> <td>11/9</td> <td>Atlanta Hawks <span class="greenfont">W</span> 106-83</td> <td>4-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>5</td> <td>11/10</td> <td>@New Jersey Nets <span class="greenfont">W</span> 112-101</td> <td>5-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>6</td> <td>11/13</td> <td>@Indiana Pacers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 101-86</td> <td>6-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>7</td> <td>11/14</td> <td>New Jersey Nets <span class="greenfont">W</span> 91-69</td> <td>7-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>8</td> <td>11/16</td> <td>Miami Heat <span class="greenfont">W</span> 92-91</td> <td>8-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>9</td> <td>11/18</td> <td>@Orlando Magic <span class="redfont">L</span> 102-104</td> <td>8-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>10</td> <td>11/21</td> <td>Golden State Warriors <span class="greenfont">W</span> 105-82</td> <td>9-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>11</td> <td>11/23</td> <td>Los Angeles Lakers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 107-94</td> <td>10-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>12</td> <td>11/24</td> <td>@Charlotte Bobcats <span class="greenfont">W</span> 96-95</td> <td>11-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>13</td> <td>11/27</td> <td>@Cleveland Cavaliers <span class="redfont">L</span> 104-109 (OT)</td> <td>11-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>14</td> <td>11/29</td> <td>New York Knicks <span class="greenfont">W</span> 104-59</td> <td>12-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>15</td> <td>11/30</td> <td>@Miami Heat <span class="greenfont">W</span> 95-85</td> <td>13-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>16</td> <td>12/2</td> <td>Cleveland Cavaliers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 80-70</td> <td>14-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>17</td> <td>12/5</td> <td>@Philadelphia 76ers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 113-103</td> <td>15-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>18</td> <td>12/7</td> <td>Toronto Raptors <span class="greenfont">W</span> 112-84</td> <td>16-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>19</td> <td>12/8</td> <td>@Chicago Bulls <span class="greenfont">W</span> 92-81</td> <td>17-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>20</td> <td>12/12</td> <td>Sacramento Kings <span class="greenfont">W</span> 90-78</td> <td>18-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>21</td> <td>12/14</td> <td>Milwaukee Bucks <span class="greenfont">W</span> 104-82</td> <td>19-2</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> <td align="center"> <table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" class="tablehead"> <tbody> <tr class="stathead"> <th colspan="4">1995-96 Chicago Bulls (19-2 Thru 21 Games)</th> </tr> <tr align="center" class="colhead"> <th colspan="4">Final Record: 72-10</th> </tr> <tr align="center" class="colhead"> <td>G</td> <td>DATE</td> <td>GAME</td> <td>REC</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>1</td> <td>11/3</td> <td>Charlotte Hornets <span class="greenfont">W</span> 105-91</td> <td>1-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>2</td> <td>11/4</td> <td>Boston Celtics <span class="greenfont">W</span> 107-85</td> <td>2-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>3</td> <td>11/7</td> <td>Toronto Raptors <span class="greenfont">W</span> 117-108</td> <td>3-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>4</td> <td>11/9</td> <td>@Cleveland Cavaliers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 106-88</td> <td>4-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>5</td> <td>11/11</td> <td>Portland Trail Blazers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 110-106</td> <td>5-0</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>6</td> <td>11/14</td> <td>@Orlando Magic <span class="redfont">L</span> 88-94</td> <td>5-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>7</td> <td>11/15</td> <td>Cleveland Cavaliers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 113-94</td> <td>6-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>8</td> <td>11/17</td> <td>New Jersey Nets <span class="greenfont">W</span> 109-94</td> <td>7-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>9</td> <td>11/21</td> <td>@Dallas Mavericks <span class="greenfont">W</span> 108-102</td> <td>8-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>10</td> <td>11/22</td> <td>@San Antonio Spurs <span class="greenfont">W</span> 103-94</td> <td>9-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>11</td> <td>11/24</td> <td>@Utah Jazz <span class="greenfont">W</span> 90-85</td> <td>10-1</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>12</td> <td>11/26</td> <td>@Seattle SuperSonics <span class="redfont">L</span> 92-97</td> <td>10-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>13</td> <td>11/27</td> <td>@Portland Trail Blazers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 107-104</td> <td>11-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>14</td> <td>11/30</td> <td>@Vancouver Grizzlies <span class="greenfont">W</span> 94-88</td> <td>12-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>15</td> <td>12/2</td> <td>@Los Angeles Clippers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 104-98</td> <td>13-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>16</td> <td>12/6</td> <td>New York Knicks <span class="greenfont">W</span> 101-94</td> <td>14-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>17</td> <td>12/8</td> <td>San Antonio Spurs <span class="greenfont">W</span> 106-87</td> <td>15-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>18</td> <td>12/9</td> <td>@Milwaukee Bucks <span class="greenfont">W</span> 118-106</td> <td>16-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>19</td> <td>12/13</td> <td>Orlando Magic <span class="greenfont">W</span> 112-103</td> <td>17-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="evenrow"> <td>20</td> <td>12/14</td> <td>@Atlanta Hawks <span class="greenfont">W</span> 127-108</td> <td>18-2</td> </tr> <tr align="center" class="oddrow"> <td>21</td> <td>12/16</td> <td>Los Angeles Lakers <span class="greenfont">W</span> 108-88</td> <td>19-2</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </p> </p> </div></p> Updated...on pace to finish: 74-8....take that bulls</p> lol</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1AntoineWalkerFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> again with your "because i said so" arguement...its really getting old...i come out with stats and facts and you just say "nuh uhhh im right"...give me evidence and i will respond...if not then you can be happy with your opinion</div></p> hhmmmm... i think we've already covered how walker chucks up 600 threes per season, and sank about 31% of them or something? that's not good. he also had an extremely itchy trigger finger, combined with the fact that he wasn'tthat great.not agood match.</p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1AntoineWalkerFan)</div><div class='quotemain'>THANK YOU!!!...see that ortiz??? someone who uses facts in their arguements...damn, guess who looks like hes in some pretty damn good company...its more like, Prime Allen on the same level with Walker, I dont think so.</div></p> Ray Allen pales in comparison to Walker?? LOfuckingL...</p>
[quote name='David_Ortiz']</p> [quote name='#1AntoineWalkerFan']</p> again with your "because i said so" arguement...its really getting old...i come out with stats and facts and you just say "nuh uhhh im right"...give me evidence and i will respond...if not then you can be happy with your opinion [/QUOTE]</p> hhmmmm... i think we've already covered how walker chucks up 600 threes per season, and sank about 31% of them or something? that's not good. he also had an extremely itchy trigger finger, combined with the fact that he wasn'tthat great.not agood match.</p> [quote name='#1AntoineWalkerFan']THANK YOU!!!...see that ortiz??? someone who uses facts in their arguements...damn, guess who looks like hes in some pretty damn good company...its more like, Prime Allen on the same level with Walker, I dont think so.[/QUOTE]</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> hmmm i think ive already told you that you are completely wrong and are exagerrating to make your arguement sound better...but thats ok if you have to do that...because i already told you that walker "chucked up 600 3s" in only 3 season and he aveaged 35% with a high of 37% for one season...not 31...so heres a word of advice, get ur facts straight before you get into a discussion about something, you will look less ridiculoius...</p> </p> [quote name='David_Ortiz']Ray Allen pales in comparison to Walker?? LOfuckingL...[/QUOTE]</p> first of all, i was exagerrating because of your comment....second of all here is your because i said so arguement...i come out with "for the first 7 years of both of their careers walker averaged 21-9-4 and allen averaged 21-4-4" as my arguement of why walker was just as good if not better than allen...but your response is "LOfuckingL"...you sound very knowledgeable about basketball...................................</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1AntoineWalkerFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> hmmm i think ive already told you that you are completely wrong and are exagerrating to make your arguement sound better...but thats ok if you have to do that...because i already told you that walker "chucked up 600 3s" in only 3 season and he aveaged 35% with a high of 37% for one season...not 31...so heres a word of advice, get ur facts straight before you get into a discussion about something, you will look less ridiculoius...</div></p> Do you need a diaper change?</p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>first of all, i was exagerrating because of your comment....second of all here is your because i said so arguement...i come out with "for the first 7 years of both of their careers walker averaged 21-9-4 and allen averaged 21-4-4" as my arguement of why walker was just as good if not better than allen...but your response is "LOfuckingL"...you sound very knowledgeable about basketball...................................</p> </div></p> </p> They're two different positions buddy. Of course a power forward is going to snag more rebounds than a shooting guard. Prime Allen is better than Prime Walker. Allen averaged 26 points a game his final two seasons in Seattle. Antoine may have cracked 20 in a few seasons, but look at his shooting percentages compared to Allen's.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (David_Ortiz)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Do you need a diaper change?</p> </div></p> you add so much to this board with your insightful posts...</p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (David_Ortiz)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> They're two different positions buddy. Of course a power forward is going to snag more rebounds than a shooting guard. Prime Allen is better than Prime Walker. Allen averaged 26 points a game his final two seasons in Seattle. Antoine may have cracked 20 in a few seasons, but look at his shooting percentages compared to Allen's.</p> </div></p> yeaaaaaaa walker shoots a whole 3% less than allen for their careers...allen is soooooooooo much better</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Dec 21 2007, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How's it looking now? Amazing how 1 loss affects things.</div> lol, still have a chance though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Dec 21 2007, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How's it looking now? Amazing how 1 loss affects things.</div> Not so good. In fact, it's so bad that CK is not even updating the stats anymore.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 15 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How's it looking? </div> OMG GTFO TROLL!!!! haha. Phil Jackson > Glenn Rivers however.
I know the Celts don't seem to be in the running for beating the Bulls' record, and I think now that they have played some tougher teams that their record is a better representation of their team. I still think they are great, just the 19-2 or whatever was not an accurate long term record for the Celts imo.' btw what is the Bulls record at this point?
