here's what I don't get about people who complain ad infinitum about nash getting MVP; he may not be the most deserving but he's definitely one of the top couple of candidates. Nash fans don't say "I'm going to slit my wrists if Dirk or Kobe win", I just don't see why people are so vehemently opposed to Nash being an MVP candidate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Apr 18 2007, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>here's what I don't get about people who complain ad infinitum about nash getting MVP; he may not be the most deserving but he's definitely one of the top couple of candidates. Nash fans don't say "I'm going to slit my wrists if Dirk or Kobe win", I just don't see why people are so vehemently opposed to Nash being an MVP candidate.</div> For me, I look at recent HOF guys like Kidd/Payton that didn't win any MVP's...and they are clearly better than Steve Nash. And I look at guys like Kobe Bryant and Dirk Nowitzki that are better than a lot of the best at their positions in the last 20 or so years....and they aren't getting them....
I agree with BCBANDNash is not at the level of those who have won MVP 3+ times -- Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Bill Russell
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nash is not at the level of those who have won MVP 3+ times -- Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Bill Russell</div>for the umpteenth time, prior seasons has nothing to do with MVPs and revealing your biases shoots your credibility in the food.
Yall gonna find my list a bit odd.1. Dirk Nowitzki- Obviously has the best team in the league, but he has a lot around him so whos not to say they couldnt be a great team without him.2. Kobe Bryant- Best player in the league by far and the team couldnt win 25 games without him.3. Steve Nash- Dont like the guy, has everything around him but I think hes gonna get it so he gets 3 in a row.4. Dwight Howard- He really brought the magic back onto the map5. Carmelo Anthony/Lebron James- I think if melo hadnt got suspended he would mos def be it. Lebron I dont care what anybody says has a decent team behind him, people just wanna make him out to be what he is not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 18 2007, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For me, I look at recent HOF guys like Kidd/Payton that didn't win any MVP's...and they are clearly better than Steve Nash. And I look at guys like Kobe Bryant and Dirk Nowitzki that are better than a lot of the best at their positions in the last 20 or so years....and they aren't getting them....</div>Nash, at the level he is now, is better than Kidd and Payton at their prime. Now Kidd and Payton will retire with better overall careers stats than Nash, but you just have to watch Steve run a team, it truly is a beautiful thing.
Bosh definately deserves some talk. I like the Raptors this year a lot, I really would love to see them win the East.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 18 2007, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For me, I look at recent HOF guys like Kidd/Payton that didn't win any MVP's...and they are clearly better than Steve Nash. And I look at guys like Kobe Bryant and Dirk Nowitzki that are better than a lot of the best at their positions in the last 20 or so years....and they aren't getting them....</div>You can't fault Nash because those guys played in the Jordan era. Would Nash have won an MVP if he played in that era? No, but at the same time neither would Dirk or any active player today.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Apr 18 2007, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nash, at the level he is now, is better than Kidd and Payton at their prime.</div> That's complete rubbish....unfortunately a lot of stupid young fans right now will believe what you said above. :no1:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 19 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's complete rubbish....unfortunately a lot of stupid young fans right now will believe what you said above. :no1:</div>Well you can have your opinion, but I've been watching the NBA regularly since about 91 now and was lucky enough to watch Kidd and Nash lead my team. Nash changes the way everything runs, he opens up so many options its not even funny. Kidd and Payton IMO have had better all round careers, but the way Nash has played this year (and the last couple to an extent) has been nothing short of spectacular.
So you just proved BCB's point when you say Kidd and Payton had better all around careers...and wouldn't them playing in the Jordan era and being MVP candidates make them even better than Nash, playing in the Jordan era?Payton and Kidd > NashNash is just in the perfect system where both Payton and Kidd would flourish and be considered MVPThe thing about Kidd and Payton is they're both WAY better defenders than Nash so it would be even more perfectEDIT: Oh yeah Gary Payton led his team to the finals and so did Jason Kidd....Nash simply hasn't
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Apr 19 2007, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well you can have your opinion, but I've been watching the NBA regularly since about 91 now and was lucky enough to watch Kidd and Nash lead my team. Nash changes the way everything runs, he opens up so many options its not even funny. Kidd and Payton IMO have had better all round careers, but the way Nash has played this year (and the last couple to an extent) has been nothing short of spectacular.</div> Comparing Jason Kidd leading your team in the mid-90's to Nash leading your team now, it's not really comparable. They are completely different teams, systems and everything else. I look at Payton/Nash being all-NBA defenders, elite offensive players on top of it, they are both leaps and bounds better than Nash for half the game. Anyone who puts Steve Nash ahead of either Kidd or Payton is a fool.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 19 2007, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Comparing Jason Kidd leading your team in the mid-90's to Nash leading your team now, it's not really comparable. They are completely different teams, systems and everything else. I look at Payton/Nash being all-NBA defenders, elite offensive players on top of it, they are both leaps and bounds better than Nash for half the game. Anyone who puts Steve Nash ahead of either Kidd or Payton is a fool.</div>Well then give me a jesters hat and let me dance around. Nash now is better than Kidd and Payton at their prime. Just as Tyson at his peak would have beaten any heavyweight in history, but didn't have a better career than many of the greats.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Apr 19 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you just proved BCB's point when you say Kidd and Payton had better all around careers...and wouldn't them playing in the Jordan era and being MVP candidates make them even better than Nash, playing in the Jordan era?</div>erm? how exactly?I said Nash this season is better than Kidd & Payton at their peak. The all round career aspect has nothing to do with individual seasons.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Apr 19 2007, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well then give me a jesters hat and let me dance around. Nash now is better than Kidd and Payton at their prime. Just as Tyson at his peak would have beaten any heavyweight in history, but didn't have a better career than many of the greats.</div> No he's not. Your comparing one of the softest defenders in the game to Kidd/Payton who were all-NBA caliber defenders....I don't think Nash is that much better offensively to put himself over the top. The only thing Nash has on Payton or Kidd is shooting....and Payton was a good shooter....
