2008 Blake V. 2009 Miller - Advanced Statistical Comparison

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  1. RR7

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    So you want to play our 2nd Team AllNBA SG out of position at PG? :NOTMARIS:
     
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    I don't agree with you that Blake is a better offensive player than Batum if we are talking about playing the wing, which is what we are talking about. Batum shot better last year than Blake is now shooting, and he also offered more in terms of offensive rebounding and fast break finishing. I also feel that Batum is an innately better passer.

    You have a hard on for Blake and something of the opposite for Miller. You are what you call others: predictable.
     
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    How about this.

    If you slow the game to a half-court, grind it out style then Miller and Blake are pretty close in ability.

    If you increase the pace of the game, Blake gets worse and Miller gets better.

    Really Miller came to exactly the wrong team for his abilities.

    I mean god forbid you adjust playstyle just because you have different players.

    Crazy talk.
     
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    It's snarky because you made a hollow argument. You're going after a whole seasons worth of games, vs 7 or 8 games with Miller starting.

    Take the first 8 games that Blake started last year, and you would have a fair comparison, but I bet it doesn't back your argument nearly as well.


    Of course, someone might've already pointed that out or did it. I haven't read through the plethora of posts.
     
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    No, I don't. I just think Miller has been even crappier than Blake was last year, at least so far this year. 2009 BLANKY is worse than all of them.
     
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    No, Roy was the primary ball-handler down the stretch of games last year. I'd rather have the ball in Roy's hands than Miller's.
     
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    It's fair to compare what Miller has "added" to the offense so far this year compared to last year as a whole. It's not a "hollow" argument, but rather an incomplete data set. Then again, the entire board is filled with angry threads about Steve Blake's performance after 13 games.

    I guess BLANKY can be criticized after 13 games, but pointing out Miller's contribution by comparison is a "hollow argument".
     
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    You don't have a very convincing argument...Why do you only use 08 numbers and then use 09 numbers when they favor Blake?
     
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    I explained that, but I'm also not making an argument. I am posting statistics. I guess this means I have a "hard on" for BLANKY.
     
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    This to me really makes me believe that you ARE making an argument.
     
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    Just curious, based on the numbers I've shown, the same numbers you posted, if you are confused as to why we are starting Greg over Joel as well. And are you wishing that we would have stuck with what worked last year, since Greg is clearly not an upgrade so far this season.
     
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    Maybe Oden is better as a bench player. That said, the defense is much, much better with him in the starting line-up, so maybe not? Or perhaps BLANKY elevated Przy's game, and Miller doesn't know how to effectively use Oden.
     
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    Which comparative stats say Roy should be handling the ball to break a full-court press?
     
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    I dunno. Greg did start 39 games last season. So he had some effect on their rating last season as well. I'd say it's pretty obvious that the addition of Miller is what has made our defense the second best defense in the league so far, as he is the lone new addition to the lineup.
     
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    Personally, I think it's because we swapped "no defense Frenchy" Batum for Miller in the starting lineup. That's why our D is so good now. :)
     
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    Which comparative stats say Roy shouldn't be handling the ball to break a full-court press?

    That said, the most effective way to beat a press is to pass over it, not dribble through it.
     
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    That's fine. The offense sucks under Miller, but the defense is much better.

    I can live with that. :dunno:
     
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    And Blake couldn't dribble through it OR pass over it.
     
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    Sounds good. Defense wins championships. :cheers:
     
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    Wondering what that has to do with Roy.
     
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