<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>walker wasnt stupid... coming out of college people praised his decisions makin... he became a chucker cuz he got overweight... and lazy... didnt make him stupid... hey man food is a drug to some people</div> just wanted to repost this
He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position. He has low bball IQ because he wastes his talent in a pool of moronic decisions on the court. I dont give a shit what he was praised for in college. He was sure as hell an idiot after the Celtics. Jumping to contenders doesnt mean you have good bball IQ. I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs. My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics. Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position. I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs. My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics. Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.</div> wait... but him being a chucker doesnt make him stupid... makes him LAZY... b4 walker got obese!!! he would post up... and pass out of the double... or spin into the lane... remember when he came out of college he was an SF... he was 6'8"... then in boston obrien put him at PF... so now hes a 6'8" PF... he was undersize considering his wing span wasnt freakish like brand nor did he "get up" but he utilized his strenght / weight, his jumpin shootin ability... walker drew so many fouls at the PF spot... then every year he kept gettin fatter... and fatter... remember the year pat riley had to suspend him cuz he had like 32% body fat? cmon ur a pro athlete its ur job to stay in shape... and come ready when camp starts.... food is his drug... like riddick bowe... great boxer (when he was in shape) but couldnt stop drinkin... the power of the crave white castle anyway... walker is a very smart bball player... just sad to see him waste his career on food... but hey hes the millionare... so he probably doesnt care... and he has a ring... so consider him a winner
oh and to add... so if u say he was stupid post boston... then how does somebody get stupid? did he get hit in the head a lot? and started makin stupid decisions? or he got FAT and lazy so he started chuckin 3's... ask ur self that L
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position. I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs. My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics. Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.</div> wait... but him being a chucker doesnt make him stupid... makes him LAZY... b4 walker got obese!!! he would post up... and pass out of the double... or spin into the lane... remember when he came out of college he was an SF... he was 6'8"... then in boston obrien put him at PF... so now hes a 6'8" PF... he was undersize considering his wing span wasnt freakish like brand nor did he "get up" but he utilized his strenght / weight, his jumpin shootin ability... walker drew so many fouls at the PF spot... then every year he kept gettin fatter... and fatter... remember the year pat riley had to suspend him cuz he had like 32% body fat? cmon ur a pro athlete its ur job to stay in shape... and come ready when camp starts.... food is his drug... like riddick bowe... great boxer (when he was in shape) but couldnt stop drinkin... the power of the crave white castle anyway... walker is a very smart bball player... just sad to see him waste his career on food... but hey hes the millionare... so he probably doesnt care... and he has a ring... so consider him a winner </div> So his actions on the court were SMART decisions?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position. He has low bball IQ because he wastes his talent in a pool of moronic decisions on the court. I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs. My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics. Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.</div> Geez. You didn't see him play as a Celtic. He's had a high basketball IQ all along. Like I said, he ate his way out of the league. It's been pointed out that as he put on the pounds, he shot more 3's. He wasn't a horrible 3pt shooter, either, just streaky. He was a good defender, too, when he wasn't so fat he'd be gasping for air. Think about it for a few seconds and get back to me: why on earth would you put the ball in the hands of your PF instead of a PG to handle the ball if your PF wasn't something special (IQ-wise and otherwise)? Williams and Paul are likely to get a lot better. Kidd likely won't. Back-to-back MVP Steve Nash was quite ordinary in his first few seasons. You think he had a great bball IQ then? Adrian Griffin has a great IQ, just not the talent to back it up. Was good enough to start for Dallas, a contending team, tho.
when he was in shape? ya he was a smart player... he knew when to pass... how to draw the foul... how to post up... he would post up and if the guy would play him soft he would front up... to bait the guy... if the defender didnt bite he would shoot the medium jumper which he can MAKE!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and to add... so if u say he was stupid post boston... then how does somebody get stupid? did he get hit in the head a lot? and started makin stupid decisions? or he got FAT and lazy so he started chuckin 3's... ask ur self that L</div> I never said he was stupid in Boston. If you actually read my post, you would know that i said that I didnt watch him in his Boston days. I'm saying by his actions on the court during his Dallas and Miami days didnt display to me any form of high BBall IQ. So by your logic, you can only have a high bball IQ if you are in shape. Hmm, Diop was fat and slow, but he tried his best in that shape and then later on actually shed a shitload of weight
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and to add... so if u say he was stupid post boston... then how does somebody get stupid? did he get hit in the head a lot? and started makin stupid decisions? or he got FAT and lazy so he started chuckin 3's... ask ur self that L</div> I never said he was stupid in Boston. If you actually read my post, you would know that i said that I didnt watch him in his Boston days. I'm saying by his actions on the court during his Dallas and Miami days didnt display to me any form of high BBall IQ. </div> ya but nobody gets stupid over a course of 5-8 years... he got lazy and FAT... so he started takin 3's... he didnt get stupid...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position. He has low bball IQ because he wastes his talent in a pool of moronic decisions on the court. I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs. My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics. Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.</div> Geez. You didn't see him play as a Celtic. He's had a high basketball IQ all along. Like I said, he ate his way out of the league. It's been pointed out that as he put on the pounds, he shot more 3's. He wasn't a horrible 3pt shooter, either, just streaky. He was a good defender, too, when he wasn't so fat he'd be gasping for air. Think about it for a few seconds and get back to me: why on earth would you put the ball in the hands of your PF instead of a PG to handle the ball if your PF wasn't something special (IQ-wise and otherwise)? Williams and Paul are likely to get a lot better. Kidd likely won't. Back-to-back MVP Steve Nash was quite ordinary in his first few seasons. You think he had a great bball IQ then? Adrian Griffin has a great IQ, just not the talent to back it up. Was good enough to start for Dallas, a contending team, tho. </div> Are you implying Nash's bball IQ is low because he didnt win a ring? Your statement about Paul and Williams still didnt answer my question: Do you think they have LOW bball IQs? And to add: lower than Walker's in 2006 when he got a ring?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and to add... so if u say he was stupid post boston... then how does somebody get stupid? did he get hit in the head a lot? and started makin stupid decisions? or he got FAT and lazy so he started chuckin 3's... ask ur self that L</div> I never said he was stupid in Boston. If you actually read my post, you would know that i said that I didnt watch him in his Boston days. I'm saying by his actions on the court during his Dallas and Miami days didnt display to me any form of high BBall IQ. </div> ya but nobody gets stupid over a course of 5-8 years... he got lazy and FAT... so he started takin 3's... he didnt get stupid... </div> Fair enough. I'm at a disadvantage considering I didnt see him in his early Boston days. I'm going by the most recent information from the Mavs on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 4 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHA14C.HTM 62% of the team's total minutes at C 5% at PF Gerald Wallace was their PF last season. Mohammed played 17% of the team's minutes at PF, 18% at C. Hollins played 7% of the team's minutes at C.</div> Well that proves me wrong. Although Okafors PER from opponent PF's was 16.4 which is the position he will play for my team. His PER as a PF was 20.5 too btw </div> Don't get me wrong. I think Okafor is a hell of a good player. He's got a very good offensive game in the post, which is under-utilized on the Bobcats. I was shocked nobody picked him for as long as he was available, and was salivating at the chance he'd fall to me. </div> Oh hai cpaw, I noticed you were looking at this thread /waits for cpaw's Okafor-bashing to begin
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position. He has low bball IQ because he wastes his talent in a pool of moronic decisions on the court. I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs. My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics. Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.</div> Geez. You didn't see him play as a Celtic. He's had a high basketball IQ all along. Like I said, he ate his way out of the league. It's been pointed out that as he put on the pounds, he shot more 3's. He wasn't a horrible 3pt shooter, either, just streaky. He was a good defender, too, when he wasn't so fat he'd be gasping for air. Think about it for a few seconds and get back to me: why on earth would you put the ball in the hands of your PF instead of a PG to handle the ball if your PF wasn't something special (IQ-wise and otherwise)? Williams and Paul are likely to get a lot better. Kidd likely won't. Back-to-back MVP Steve Nash was quite ordinary in his first few seasons. You think he had a great bball IQ then? Adrian Griffin has a great IQ, just not the talent to back it up. Was good enough to start for Dallas, a contending team, tho. </div> Are you implying Nash's bball IQ is low because he didnt win a ring? Your statement about Paul and Williams still didnt answer my question: Do you think they have LOW bball IQs? And to add: lower than Walker's in 2006 when he got a ring? </div> i think he was talkin bout nash in his early years in the nba being an "ok" nba player... and i dont think IQ gets u a ring... hell u need the talent too... like jordan... amazing smart player... and had the talent to go with it... or karl malone... very smart... so was john stockton... stockton wasnt the fastest or strongest PG... but he knew how to utilize pick and rolls... and knew how to play the game at his pace...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and to add... so if u say he was stupid post boston... then how does somebody get stupid? did he get hit in the head a lot? and started makin stupid decisions? or he got FAT and lazy so he started chuckin 3's... ask ur self that L</div> I never said he was stupid in Boston. If you actually read my post, you would know that i said that I didnt watch him in his Boston days. I'm saying by his actions on the court during his Dallas and Miami days didnt display to me any form of high BBall IQ. </div> In Dallas, he played C. I would be a little forgiving for the fact the guy was playing so out of position. For the record, Dirk and Jamison were the forwards. http://poisonousparagraphs.blogspot.com/20...served-his.html
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When did i say IQ is a requirement for MVP? That's a popularity contest.</div> wait did u just say that? i thought mvp meant best player throughout the season... not most popular that would be mpp
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you implying Nash's bball IQ is low because he didnt win a ring? Your statement about Paul and Williams still didnt answer my question: Do you think they have LOW bball IQs? And to add: lower than Walker's in 2006 when he got a ring?</div> I'm implying that it's REALLY rare for young players like KC has on his team to be NBA champs. Unless they're Shaq's (prime of his career) teammates. And that players get better, IQ-wise and otherwise, as they get into their primes. What point are you trying to make about Paul and Williams? Both are already looking like locks for the HOF if they maintain their current levels of play (which took them years to reach). None of KC's players are looking like locks, but as I said, the jury's out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When did i say IQ is a requirement for MVP? That's a popularity contest.</div> wait did u just say that? i thought mvp meant best player throughout the season... not most popular that would be mpp </div> You really dont watch the NBA then if you dont think the NBA MVP award is a joke most of the time. As with the all-nba teams and all nba defense teams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you implying Nash's bball IQ is low because he didnt win a ring? Your statement about Paul and Williams still didnt answer my question: Do you think they have LOW bball IQs? And to add: lower than Walker's in 2006 when he got a ring?</div> I'm implying that it's REALLY rare for young players like KC has on his team to be NBA champs. Unless they're Shaq's (prime of his career) teammates. And that players get better, IQ-wise and otherwise, as they get into their primes. What point are you trying to make about Paul and Williams? Both are already looking like locks for the HOF if they maintain their current levels of play (which took them years to reach). None of KC's players are looking like locks, but as I said, the jury's out. </div> I am responding to the point where you said that those NBA players KC picked have low BBall IQs because they have not won anything in the league. Im bringing up Paul, Williams, and kidd because they have not won a ring yet they have high IQs. Yet by the logic presented in the statement towards KC's player, Paul, Williams, and Kidd don't have high IQs on the basketball court. I'm not attacking your statement about KC's players but rather the logic behind the statement. walker was a bad example on my part considering I've only seen him play after his early Celtics days.
