2008 GM Draft 1 Peer Evaluation Thread

Discussion in 'GM Draft 1' started by cpawfan, Aug 1, 2008.

  1. DynastYWarrioR6

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    If you are really going to go that small with your lineup, it'll be hard to guard some of the taller and bigger teams in the league. Defensively, on your bench guards, they aren't capable. Look alot of what you're getting on offense is going to come exclusively from Pierce and Amare. Wallace scores off of dunks and hustle, and there's nothing wrong with that, but primarily your offense is coming from Amare and Pierce. And as good of a scoring bench you say you have, in Green and Thomas and McCants, keep in mind they all played on teams that had noone else to score with, or at least not many. Tim Thomas played on a Clipper team that was missing Brand all year pretty much, and got his with the extended minutes he got there. McCants played in Minnesota, enough said.

    We aren't trying to knock your team, it is simply criticism. Don't look at our feedback and get in that mentality of "What? It's not perfect? No, I'm going to convince you it is and make it so!". Don't do that, it's only going to lead to arguments and make you look less credible. It's simply criticism, and on forums, you are guaranteed to have disagreements. We all have our opinions and make our cases, in the end the voting will display the results.

    None of this personal by the way, in case anything I said sounded confrontational or anything, I respect all the posters here at S2....except maybe ZAE :D
     
  2. kk30

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    I don't mind criticism at all but you show me a team that's better than mine. And honestly Wallace doesn't get all his points from put back dunks and hustle, we'll not talking about Josh Boone here. Wallace is a scorer, a slasher and he has a mid range jumper that stretched beyond the 3 point line last year. He averaged 19.4 pts last year why wouldn't that be considered a primarily scoring option?
     
  3. DynastYWarrioR6

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    Who else on Charlotte scores for his team? You put him with stars, and he isn't going to produce the same, which I'm sure you know already so that's not a knock, bu the isn't free to do what he did in Charlotte alongside Pierce and Amare. Ideally, alongside those two, you would want a top shooter as Amare is your proverbial inside, while Pierce is your outside, we can all assume that. Wallace isn't a scorer, and this is where personal opinion lies. Wallace is a defender in my opinion, and is a scorer for a team that lacks scoring, which amounts to him being primarily a defender, and not a scorer. It's not hard to find people who agree with me in this.

    And look, I'm not saying my team is better than yours, I actually think my team ranks in the bottom, but your team is not the best. Despite the crap cpaw gets for his team being dysfunctional, they are actually more formidable offensively and defensively than your team. I think CK's team is better than yours, with a starting lineup that is just very fluid offensively. I think JCB's team is better also. I mean I'm leaving some people out I'm sure, but this is what I got off the top of my head.
     
  4. kk30

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    I dont like the argument that being on a losing team effects the player tremendously. Wallace did play with J-rich but besides that than you can say the person who picked Al Jefferson is a real dumbass. Or Chris Kaman is garbage. There are so many losing teams in the NBA and you are basically saying that every player on a losing team is a bum and you cant really take any player on a losing team seriously. Listen I understand your point that maybe if they are the only scoring option on the team their stats are imploded but if they shoot at a high percentage or get a lot of rebounds what difference does it make?? Its not like all losing teams play only agaisnt losing teams, they have to go agaisnt the good teams too
     
  5. DynastYWarrioR6

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    I should've clarified about what I said about your bench playing on losing teams. What I meant was that people like Tim Thomas, who got extended minutes due to others' injuries. And you base his clutch-ness on his one shot in the playoffs against the Lakers, cause outside of that, I don't recall any other clutch shot from him. People like Telfair and McCants who get extended minutes on teams like the Wolves that they wouldnt get on any other team is what I meant. Fewer minutes equals less production, and they got more than they would on any other team.

    And all I said about Wallace is that he is only a scorer on a team that cannot score outside of Wallace and J-Rich. On a team with people who can play offense, Wallace is a defender, and there isn't anything wrong about admitting that.
     
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    The thing is Wallace isn't just a defender like you would call Bruce Bowen a defender. He'll be more like how Paul Pierce was a "defender" last year for the Celtics. O.K Wallace's ppg will probably drop on a team with Pierce and Amare but he should still average somewhere between 16-18 pts per game.
     
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    The last 2 years, Bibby was on a horrible Kings team, and then when he went to Atlanta he was crazily inconsistent. Bibby is all about his offense, and needs his shots, on your team he's not gonna get his 12+ shots a game, so his 40% shooting isn't going to cut it. He does nothing great besides score and he won't even be utilized right and will get frustrated very easily. Players like him become blackhole like, and start chucking shots like he did when he came back from his injury this year. Then if Bibby does get his shots, he'll take away shots from your big 3. Your bench is ridiculously greedy and they are all me first players except for Powell. The problem with having all scorers is there will be very little ball movement and that's easy to cover unless it's someone like LeBron or Kobe you're covering. All the guys on your bench that did start are all guys that shouldn't be starters. They all deserve to be on the bench, and starting doesn't always mean your great, it's about who finishes the game. My bench D isn't as bad as you say dude, Jargon draws quite a few offensive fouls, Reggie Evans is one of thee elite defensive rebounders in the league and always has great energy, Williams & Webster both use their athleticism to stay in front of their guy and PG might be the only position that might lack some D off my bench but they both make up for it on the offensive end. My bench all have certain roles that help the team while apparently your whole bench's role is to score..? You have the Knicks type of approach while I have a combination of Cleveland & San Antonio approach like bench.
     
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    Come on, how'd you guys let me get away with this team?
     
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    Your bench is too young Lukey. Great starting lineup though. Awesome frontcourt and I'm a fan of your guards. Delonte rules.


    Also, Josh Powell is a PF, not a center, he was forced to play out of position at Center in an extremely small lineup for the Clips because they had no frontcourt.
     
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    It was easy to ignore you :D
    but great job on assembling a team!
     
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    Can I take Real's outstanding picks?

    It's not against the rules, since I'm in the GM Draft 2.
     
  12. DynastYWarrioR6

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    Talk to ZAE, first draft is his. I run the 2nd draft. :D
     
  13. JFizzleRaider

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    My team is finally finished.

    PG: TJ Ford, Chris Duhon
    SG: Ray Allen, Wally Szcerzbiak, Luther Head
    SF: Francisco Garcia, Desmond Mason
    PF: Emeka Okafor, Brandan Wright
    C: Tim Duncan, Brian Skinner, Deandre Jordan
     
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    Yeah, I ended up getting a little dichotomous with the a and b team. But I'll be out there, purposefully injuring my players so the rooks can get some experience.
     
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    PM Real and ask him.
     

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