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Could you imagine if you are able to use one of the picks + matthews to get Igs on draft night. Then on July 1st, you offer D Will max? Then you can resign hickson and Batum.

D Will, Batum, Igs, Aldridge and Hickson is pretty sexy! D Will would look at that possible line-up; which should be better than any other team also able to offer max.
 
Look at the Jazz -- they built their Playoff team with an eye on the future with Favors/Kanter/Burks/Hayward.

That's what Portland should be doing. But you have a former shoe executive playing a big part in player evaluations and a below average head scout as GM.

Hell-bent? Well, they've been pretty good at it in the past few years with their drafts and player acquisitions (via trades).
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Look at the Jazz -- they built their Playoff team with an eye on the future with Favors/Kanter/Burks/Hayward.

That's what Portland should be doing. But you have a former shoe executive playing a big part in player evaluations and a below average head scout as GM.
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When are people going to get over this idea that there's a one-size-fits all path to building a contending team in the NBA? When Utah dumped Williams before he could dump them, they went into full rebuild mode. That's a completely different situation than the Blazers are in, having a proven All-Star and some other valuable pieces in place. Draft picks are unproven and they take time to develop into effective NBA players. By the time guys taken at the 6th and 11th spots, assuming they do pan out, finally develop into real grown-up NBA players, LA will be on the downside of his career. Buchannan may have gotten some things wrong in the past, but I don't think he's wrong here. The key to this summer is doing whatever is necessary to add a proven All-Star to pair with LA. Once you have that in place, you can make other moves necessary to fill in around the core.
 
Some things wrong? I honestly can't think of one thing he's done right.

This team is aging and lacks talent. Horrible combo. Use the cap to bring in established players, use the picks on players you can groom along so you can avoid another 2005-esque re-build.
 
magnifier661 said:
Could you imagine if you are able to use one of the picks + matthews to get Igs on draft night. Then on July 1st, you offer D Will max? Then you can resign hickson and Batum.

D Will, Batum, Igs, Aldridge and Hickson is pretty sexy! D Will would look at that possible line-up; which should be better than any other team also able to offer max.
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You really ought to do the math before you get yourself all worked up. that scenario is not even close to possible.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Some things wrong? I honestly can't think of one thing he's done right.

This team is aging and lacks talent. Horrible combo. Use the cap to bring in established players, use the picks on players you can groom along so you can avoid another 2005-esque re-build.
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Aging? Outside of Kurt Thomas, who may retire, there's nobody remaining on the Blazers' roster who's older than 26. Our two best players, LA and Batum [assuming he's re-signed] are just entering their peak years. Getting another All-Star, preferably at the PG spot, who's fully developed and ready to play with them is the primary objective.

I'm not against keeping the picks if there's another way to get the All-Star via free agency, but I'm also realistic enough to know that Portland isn't the dream location most prime free agents want to go to. It may take using a player or two and a pick or two in an unbalanced trade to get the right guy.
 
What young players do you have outside Batum and Hickson worth keeping?

LMA is going to be 27, DWill (for the sake of convo) will be 28.

For a non-title contending team, you have to build with an eye on the future.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
What young players do you have outside Batum and Hickson worth keeping?

LMA is going to be 27, DWill (for the sake of convo) will be 28.

For a non-title contending team, you have to build with an eye on the future.
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I agree, POR would be STUPID to trade away one of thier draft picks in this particular draft unless the offer was just too good to be true....

Like John Wall...Rajon Rondo...

All Star caliber or progressing towards All Star caliber player...

and I don't see a lot of those types of guys being available for a draft pick, and if those teams are so willing to deal them. it should make you wonder why (see my post above)...
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
What young players do you have outside Batum and Hickson worth keeping?

LMA is going to be 27, DWill (for the sake of convo) will be 28.

For a non-title contending team, you have to build with an eye on the future.
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LMA, Batum & Hickson is a sufficient good nucleus if you add the right All-Star.

The idea of building a contender through the draft is generally fools gold. Unless you luck into a Kevin Durant, you're much more likely to have a Timberwolves experience...in the lottery seven - edit- make that eight- straight years and counting.
 
RoyToy said:
Beal is undersized. His shit will get blocked.

Rivers is OJ Mayo at best.

Lamb still has the most potential to do it for my money.
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I like Lamb as well....

but I call bullshit on the rest....
 
RoyToy said:
Beal is undersized. His shit will get blocked.

Rivers is OJ Mayo at best.

Lamb still has the most potential to do it for my money.
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You've admitted before you have no clue about the draft and that you wanted people to 'sell' you on players. Now you're making these bold predictions?
 
MickZagger said:
You've admitted before you have no clue about the draft and that you wanted people to 'sell' you on players. Now you're making these bold predictions?
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Fun fact, apropos of nothing: Luke Babbitt is better than Adam Morrison. :devilwink:
 
Another talent evaluator believes Barnes will have to reassess his place in the game.

"I think he should be an adequate defender, but to be honest, he's got to get over the fact that he was the high school player of the year and the greatest thing going, and the fact that he's no longer that," said a Pacific Division scout. "I don't know where his head's at. But he's a quality kid. No reason he can't figure it out. When he came to college I expected someone who was ahead of Shane Battier at that developmental stage, and Shane's had a pretty good career ... I never saw Harrison Barnes as LeBron James or Kobe Bryant or Jerry Stackhouse. I just saw a nice, solid player."



Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...rrison_Barnes_Will_Be_Solid_Pro#ixzz1tfYkynob
 
MickZagger said:
Another talent evaluator believes Barnes will have to reassess his place in the game.

"I think he should be an adequate defender, but to be honest, he's got to get over the fact that he was the high school player of the year and the greatest thing going, and the fact that he's no longer that," said a Pacific Division scout. "I don't know where his head's at. But he's a quality kid. No reason he can't figure it out. When he came to college I expected someone who was ahead of Shane Battier at that developmental stage, and Shane's had a pretty good career ... I never saw Harrison Barnes as LeBron James or Kobe Bryant or Jerry Stackhouse. I just saw a nice, solid player."



Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...rrison_Barnes_Will_Be_Solid_Pro#ixzz1tfYkynob
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The scout alludes to the fact that he doesn't know Barnes personally but isn't what he is commenting on generally considered a plus for Barnes? He knew his role at UNC, he played off of Marshall, he wasn't selfish, he (and his UNC teammates) all played the game the way Roy Williams wanted him to play. Seems like a high character kid who is more than willing to play winning basketball and take any role to win. His uber-hype in HS didn't seem to effect his fitting into a defined role at UNC.

When you watch highlight reels of him you do see why people like him though. That pull-up J is a shot he can get whenever he wants against anyone he wants, even in the NBA. That's mostly where the Paul Pierce comparisons come from. People who've seen him outside of games a lot claim hes got great handles that you don't see much of at UNC, this is why many think he'll be better in the NBA where he'll have more space to actually get all the way to the rack. I don't think anyone actually expects him to become Paul Pierce but maybe a Caron Butler type? Solid all-around SF with nice size and athleticism, not a star and doesn't make his teammates much better but does everything you want in an NBA SF.
 
I could come around on the idea of letting Batum go and drafting Barnes
 
All I think about when I hear trading picks for vets is the Wizards dealing the #5 pick for Mike Miller and Randy Foye. :MARIS61:

Fez hit the nail on the head in another thread, saying it would be like sac bunting instead of swinging for the fences. This team is NOT close to contending. Outside of Aldridge and Elliot, who else has star power on this team? And please don't say Batum. We need to rebuild the way we did in 2006. Draft wisely and it will come. Aldridge, Iggy (hypothetical player we'd get for trading both picks) and Dragic MAY get us past Round 1, but that's about it. I'm done with just trying to get past the First Round. I want to contend for championships, and the most sustainable way in doing so is through the draft. We could have two Top-11 picks in one of the best draft classes in recent years. There isn't a better way to start the re-building.
 
MAS RipCity said:
All I think about when I hear trading picks for vets is the Wizards dealing the #5 pick for Mike Miller and Randy Foye. :MARIS61:

Fez hit the nail on the head in another thread, saying it would be like sac bunting instead of swinging for the fences. This team is NOT close to contending. Outside of Aldridge and Elliot, who else has star power on this team? And please don't say Batum. We need to rebuild the way we did in 2006. Draft wisely and it will come. Aldridge, Iggy (hypothetical player we'd get for trading both picks) and Dragic MAY get us past Round 1, but that's about it. I'm done with just trying to get past the First Round. I want to contend for championships, and the most sustainable way in doing so is through the draft. We could have two Top-11 picks in one of the best draft classes in recent years. There isn't a better way to start the re-building.
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That looks like a pretty fair assessment of our chances with that kind of "reload" ... and frankly those are the most realistic kinds of moves that will be available to the Blazers in trades and free agency -- true superstar players are mostly a pipe-dream, so you get to pick over the "has warts, but doesn't suck" kind of players and try to cobble something together that resembles a playoff team, but probably won't have the mix right to do much more than get out of the first round once it gets there.

Frankly, there are some pretty slim chances we get anything close to a star with the 11th and 6th picks in this year's draft, but they'll be cheap and you aren't hamstrung for the future like you could be paying Iggy and Dragic a combined 22+ million a year -- especially when you could draft a couple of guys and pay them around 6 million a year combined and get production at roughly the same level (maybe).

In all honesty, the team probably needs another season bad enough to put them back in the lottery if they really want to refresh the talent pool without breaking the bank and locking themselves into players that they won't hate having, but ultimately won't really move the needle. I don't get the feeling Paul Allen and the rest of the people who might have some say in matters feels that way, but I guess we'll see what happens.
 
e_blazer said:
Aging? Outside of Kurt Thomas, who may retire, there's nobody remaining on the Blazers' roster who's older than 26. Our two best players, LA and Batum [assuming he's re-signed] are just entering their peak years. Getting another All-Star, preferably at the PG spot, who's fully developed and ready to play with them is the primary objective.

I'm not against keeping the picks if there's another way to get the All-Star via free agency, but I'm also realistic enough to know that Portland isn't the dream location most prime free agents want to go to. It may take using a player or two and a pick or two in an unbalanced trade to get the right guy.
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Pryzbilla.
 
Based on correlation, I say we try to get a #2 or a #3 ranked player with our highest available pick. Maybe they don't have that ego like the #1 or that stress of "I have to prove I'm number 1" or they have the drive to prove they should have been a number 1. (without doing any research) There have been more busts recently at the #1 then at the number 2 or 3 in early age rankings.
 
From Chad Ford Chat:

I think most GMs see a clear break after the No. 5. I could see a team like Portland perhaps trying to package 6 and 11 to get up higher. I think Brad Beal would make a lot of sense for them.
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I agree, I'm just not sure who is worth moving up for. Likely it would be Drummond or Beal. I would be happy with making 6 and 11 turn into 3 or 4, and the seeing if you can buy a pick in the late first round to pick up some of the depth there. Some real potential in the end of the first round this year.
 
Reep said:
From Chad Ford Chat:



I agree, I'm just not sure who is worth moving up for. Likely it would be Drummond or Beal. I would be happy with making 6 and 11 turn into 3 or 4, and the seeing if you can buy a pick in the late first round to pick up some of the depth there. Some real potential in the end of the first round this year.
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If we turn both picks into Beal i'm gonna be pissed. Turn both our picks into Monte Ellis great then were screwed defensively at that position. Can anyone point out a superstar short SG who can actually play D?
 
Rhal said:
If we turn both picks into Beal i'm gonna be pissed. Turn both our picks into Monte Ellis great then were screwed defensively at that position. Can anyone point out a superstar short SG who can actually play D?
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Kobe Bryant. That's it.
 
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