As far as I am concerned, that would be super if Cleveland picks Beal like all four writes expect, possibly pushing Drummond down.
Drummond and Lamb would be a terrific draft. I don't think I would want to trade either of those picks with the type of potential they both have and the rather limited return we would be getting probably.
The picks are pretty valuable. If we trade them we would be getting our moneys worth, to get limited value from them would be to just trade them to trade them.
That's nothin! When I want NBA, I ask the NFL guys. http://nflprozach.blogspot.com/p/brainheats-2012-nba-mock-draft-20.html
Who? Going back 20 years, I only see three real "busts", and Oden was due to injury. Joe Smith, Bargnani, and Andrew Bogut aren't really 'busts', but I'll count Smith, since he's bounced around the league, even though he's been around forever. 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving Duke 2010 Washington Wizards John Wall Kentucky 2009 Los Angeles Clippers Blake Griffin Oklahoma 2008 Chicago Bulls Derrick Rose Memphis 2007 Portland Trail Blazers Greg Oden Ohio State 2006 Toronto Raptors Andrea Bargnani Italy 2005 Milwaukee Bucks Andrew Bogut Utah 2004 Orlando Magic Dwight Howard SW Atlanta Christian Academy 2003 Cleveland Cavaliers LeBron James St. Vincent-St. Mary HS (OH) 2002 Houston Rockets Yao Ming China 2001 Washington Wizards Kwame Brown Glynn Academy (GA) 2000 New Jersey Nets Kenyon Martin Cincinnati 1999 Chicago Bulls Elton Brand Duke 1998 Los Angeles Clippers Michael Olowokandi Pacific 1997 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan Wake Forest 1996 Philadelphia 76ers Allen Iverson Georgetown 1995 Golden State Warriors Joe Smith Maryland 1994 Milwaukee Bucks Glenn Robinson Purdue 1993 Orlando Magic Chris Webber Michigan 1992 Orlando Magic Shaquille O'Neal Louisiana State As for #2 picks, I can think of Darko, Beasley, Marvin Williams, Okafor, and Thabeet off of the top of my head since 2003. I suppose I could go back another 13 years and find more examples, but you get my point.
It does matter. Doesn't make him not a bust but drafting a player who doesn't play due to injury (Oden) is better then drafting a player who just didn't have what it takes to be a good NBA player (Kwame). One shows a gamble that didn't work out, while the other shows either 1) Lack of talent evaluation 2) Bad training/coaching staff who failed to properly bring along the talent.
Um, yeah, is Oden playing for you right now? Is he playing for anyone right now? Is he playing well? Of course he is a bust. The word "bust" is a pretty overarching term and should definitely apply to guys like Oden who end up useless after a few years in the league.
Here we go again, arguing over the definition of "bust." [video=youtube;hVEIotzy3_A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVEIotzy3_A[/video]
I'm not arguing over the definition of Bust. I'm just saying that it does matter why the person is a bust.
I think perhaps you misread westnob's post. He was referencing the "early age" rankings, or in otherwords, the high-school class rankings Blaze keeps obsessing over. He was not talking about actual NBA draft position.
Oden is a bust for POR...but not b\c he lacked talent , was a headcase , lazy etc.... He was a bust b\c he was the #1 pick and has been injury plagued....Barring injuries I have no doubt he would have been a #2\#3 type of guy...maybe more... POR was just unlucky...injuries are a part of the sport....certainly you can question POR mgmt after Roy & Oden and there propensity to devalue? injury reports....but the talent was there wth Oden, he displayed it when he played...He just has been unable to overcome the injuries... A bust at #1? Yes... Worthy of the #1 pick? Yes....
Exactly. This idiot management team thinks it can retool and compete for a title. They probably won't use our one pick on a rookie.
