I know, I know. And Miller is JC who are often under evaluated. Maybe that experiance will help him make a move fast. I just are worried about next years LB corps.
True. But also I remember having the same exact feeling of "How are we gonna replace the LB Corps of Paysinger, Matthews, and Kaddu?" its important to remember they werent very highly thought of either coming out. Paysinger was a 2* WR, Matthews was a 3*(5.7 just under a 4*), and Kaddu also was a 2*. They rounded out into one of the top UO Linebacker Corps in history. (Probably only 2nd to the current one) Our LB's that are primed for more Playing Time - Tyson Coleman, Rahim Cassell, Lokombo (All were 3* and Coleman and Lokombo were 5.7 ratings just under 4* rivals rating) Anthony Wallace was a 4* Brett Bafaro was 4* and Christian French who is playing some hybrid DE/LB was a 4* ATH. I guess the moral of my rant is, what used to be our ceiling in (recruiting) "Star Power" now appears to be our floor. And these are the same coaches who coached up the less recruited kids. If we had coaches who werent able to develop, then I would be more worried. But to take a page out of Stomp's playbook "The cupboards are hardly bare" (not that I think that you think they are bare)
There's this LB in Alabama named Zach Cunningham who got an offer from Oregon. But the Tide are itnerested as well. If we could nab him, that'd be huge. http://247sports.com/Player/Zach-Cunningham-18704 Edit: Speak of the devil, says that Oregon offered Jaynard http://247sports.com/Player/Jay-nard-Bostwick-14863/Tweets How many commits does Alabama have left?
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Joe-Walker-142044 he's a JC kid that has the size to play inside. He's been offered by Duke, Syracuse and Texas A&M and had over 100 tackles last season. Rivals is reporting via an exchange of texts with Joe that he hasn't committed Btw... 2* generally means that a prospect hasn't been scouted by the recruiting site. STOMP
more stuff on Walker. He graduated HS in 2010 but immediately had surgery on a torn shoulder labrum. He probably played with the injury throughout his Sr. year. He sat out 2011 rehabbing and played JC ball last year, so he's got 4 years to play 3. I'm hearing that Oregon has been recruiting him for a while and that his JC coach called him his best prospect in his 10 years STOMP
Great :< Home field advantage. We need people like Chip to stay in Oregon so that Oregon could develop a culture of football like Alabama has(Bear Bryant)
Where your logic is again clearly lagging is if these guys were in the system as you keep preaching why were Buckner, AA, DAT, COLT, Balducci, Addison, Stanford, Brown needed right now to fill in when these starters were injured? Where's the depth you speak of at these positions? If they are there as you rant, these kids wouldn't be needed right now, would they? They were needed for their talent which is a mix of a few major ingrediants, size, strength, ability and being damn good high school football players and that goes back to the need for GREAT RECRUITING thus what this thread is about! So you can talk all you want about the system and cupboard not bare and blah blah but great recruits like AA, DAT, COLT, BUCKNER, Marshall and Addison seem to cut the line in a hurry! That's why recruiting is soooooo important and stars do count! That is why we need to pick it up recruiting wise and get a Bostwick and some bad ass lb's and a couple more secondary lock down players.... If they are good, they can play at Oregon right off the bat as we've seen all year here! BTW Stomp - A spot start is an occasional play here and there, I don't think it's fair or honest to say AA, Buckner, DAT, COLT, Marshall, Addison, Johnstone or "Grassu last year'" spot started! These kids have contributed huge in the last two years as true freshman. Do not belittle their contributions! These kids walked right over your depth chart and right on to the field!
A big get for the Ducks. Fills a position of need, already has decent size, and is dedicated to both his studies and playing football. I think he'll challenge for a starting spot next season.
How do you feel about 247 giving him a full analysis recently and only grading him a 2 star? (they obviously don't think highly of him.) They may pretty much be armchair scouts, but they do look at a lot of players.
Heres what the national recruiting guys at rivals are saying as to why he hasn't been rated by them. Because of injury Joe didn't play last year and hadn't shown what he could do at the JC level, so he wasn't on the radar going into this season. Coming off a huge year (100+ tackles), having excellent size and speed, and generating offers from two top 10 programs, I'm pretty sure that he'll be rated by all the sites before signing day. STOMP
what you're doing has nothing to do with logic. Because I showed yet another of your statements was nonsense, you're trying to move the goal posts and claim you were talking about something else. Obviously football is a rough game and you need good backups as you never know when a starter is going down. Pretending that was your point all along is laughable No one has ever said stars don't matter, just that they definitely aren't the end all be all and should be viewed with some context when available. Personally I'm pretty optimistic about this current class, in part because the individuals are so highly rated. With many examples, I'm aware that rivals rankings aren't the bible truth of whats to be, but they're a good rough guide and have earned some trust as an indicator. Conversely, you've recently been throwing a hilarious hissy with your despair over this class good grief, a spot start means that a backup is pressed into starting duty filling in for the guy who won the starting role until he gets back. This isn't some mystery terminolgy... if you're confused, try google and newsflash... Johnstone and Grassu were redshirted their freshman seasons which makes them good examples of my counter to your nonsense that the starters generally come from guys already in the program rather then true freshman. 5* Colt never started a game as a freshman over Sr. David Paulson (who was a 3* when he came out of HS). Marshall, Stanford, & Addison never started but were more quality depth guys. Yes AA and Buckner were pressed into bigger roles due to injuries to multiple players ahead of them on the depth chart and garnered 2 spot starts apiece... they got so thin that they pulled Balducci's Redshirt off late in the season and game him a spot start too. That could have happened anywhere on the roster including QB where two solid prospects Redshirted. The only true freshman thats been more then a spot starter/quality depth guy these last couple seasons has been DAT. Thats not belittling anyone silly, thats the facts. Obviously you and the facts have issues... feel free to direct your anger at them rather then me for pointing them out next year the only place I see real potential for a true freshman (outside a Nkemdiche-esk surprise) to win a starting spot is at RB, but Marshall is probably the favorite. Kiko's Interior LB spot could be in the mix but probably someone in the program wins out... overall their depth chart looks pretty steep. They only graduate 10 guys from this years rotation so there really aren't that many openings... which is also why this is going to be a smallish class STOMP
The comment wasn't about rivals, though I am unsure when they ranked him though yes they do have him at 2 stars a well. It was about 247 which ranked him 6 days ago on December 4th of this year, they are the ones who think poorly of him. They have this years tape on him, and don't think much of him 17th ranked JC olb, which would put him below the 129th ranked HS OLB. Which would mean they looked at the JC olb tape and thought he wasn't as impressive as 16 other JC players at his position Overall the best they would rank him is the 146th ranked OLB, and probably below that. I shall also assume that the person who runs DT was possibly involved in ranking him. So he decided a few days ago he was pretty much in the range of the 150th ranked in the position of OLB nationally, and now he is talking him up just for the sake of the 247 readers. He ranked him 6 days ago, there is no time lag excuse, if he is better than that they should have ranked him so. Either it is a huge failure on what they mean 247 to be ranking wise, or they are just trying to pull a fast one by fluffing the people who pay for their Oregon Articles. They have some of the more delusional fans going he's better than Mike Mitchell, or well at least as good.
Hopkins really reranked the JC guys 6 days ago and specifically claimed that Walker was in that? I'm not a big fan of 247, but I find that hard to believe. Regardless, it was Aliotti/Pellum who've been recruiting 2* Kaddu, 2* Paysinger, 3* Matthews, 3* Kiko & 3* Clay... the first 3 listed there are in the NFL and the last 2 are going to be. Their judgement (not Hopkins or rivals etc...) has proven to be about as good an indicator of a quality player as I have STOMP
Don't think Clay will be drafted, only Paysinger is doing anything in the NFL currently as Kaddu is inactive and Matthews is buried in depth chart. Still more than most players can say. If you check his 247 profile, it actually has a note listed for Walker that he was rated on dec 4th. I'm not saying he might not turn out to be good, my issue isn't with Oregon's coaching staff but more of questioning the ranking sites and how they are handling this commitment.
