2013 IPCC Climate Change Report Leak - Warming predictions changed from previous

Most people are shortsighted. And I AM being pragmatic. Our massive disruption of multitudes of ecosystems will come back to haunt us sooner than later.

 

seriously?

 

Maybe, but you have to be specific.

What exactly will haunt us?

You do realize that earth, all by itself, periodically decimates most living things - you know, for shits and giggles.

 

Off the top of my head:

The introduction of trillions of plastic particles into the environment puts stress on ecosystems, especially in the ocean. This, plus overfishing, threatens the livelihood of millions of people as well as their main source of protein.

Untested pesticides have led to colony collapse of honeybees. I don't think I need to tell you that bees are important to Earth's ecosystems.

Ridding our crops of their biodiversity leaves our food vulnerable to disease and parasites that could wipe an entire species of crop. It's happened before (potatoes, bananas).

Like it or not, all of humanity relies on ecosystems working and being self replenishing. Environmentalism for me isn't about "saving the earth" since the earth will be here long after we're gone. It's about humanitarianism. Much of the world still has a direct connection to the environment that has been strained due to our disruption of ecosystems.

 

What are we contributing to ecosystems? Parking lots? How do we fit into the various cycles that have to run smoothly in order for an ecosystem to be self sufficient? By taking out as many natural resources as possible?

WHY DONT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO THOSE GODDAMNED LIONS ECOSYSTEM? WE ARE PIONEERS AFTERALL

 

It seems many people fell victim to media hype but how does this show a consensus? As far as official endorsement, scientists from these organizations may have thought there was another ice age coming but that doesn't equal official endorsement by those organizations.

Where is this scientific consensus you refer to? There wasn't even consensus in the media. For example:

New York Times articles:
“Scientist ask why world climate is changing; major cooling may be ahead” (Sullivan 1975a)
“Warming trend seen in climate; two articles counter view that cold period is due” (Sullivan 1975b).
Books:
The Cooling (Ponte 1976)
Hothouse Earth (Wilcox 1975)

Where was the scientific consensus?

As I mentioned, a review of scientific literature from that time shows there were 6 times as many scientists predicting a warming rather than a cooling planet. LINK

 

Sample size is too puny? Your blog link has 21 news articles. The report I linked to has reviewed 71 scientific papers. Do you have a better source?

Scientist voted with their published research. The history you remember doesn't agree with the facts that have been presented.

Your assertion that there was a consensus is just plain wrong.

 

Remember when you changed the software for this message board?

You improved your model? What a failure you are!!!

 

Nice deflection.

Admit it, your assertion that there was a consensus was wrong.

 

http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S021797921005555X

In this journal, Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner claim to have falsified the existence of an atmospheric greenhouse effect.1 Here, we show that their methods, logic, and conclusions are in error. Their most significant errors include trying to apply the Clausius statement of the Second Law of Thermodynamics to only one side of a heat transfer process rather than the entire process, and systematically ignoring most non-radiative heat flows applicable to the Earth's surface and atmosphere. They claim that radiative heat transfer from a colder atmosphere to a warmer surface is forbidden, ignoring the larger transfer in the other direction which makes the complete process allowed. Further, by ignoring heat capacity and non-radiative heat flows, they claim that radiative balance requires that the surface cool by 100 K or more at night, an obvious absurdity induced by an unphysical assumption. This comment concentrates on these two major points, while also taking note of some of Gerlich and Tscheuschner's other errors and misunderstandings.

 

This is a thread about the the IPCC's upcoming Climate Change report. The Climate Change report is about the idea that large increases in human carbon emissions will cause the average temperatures to increase. These temperature increases will have impacts on the environment.

All this other stuff you are talking about is not what this thread is about. Stay on topic.