2013 Official NBA Off-season Movement & Rumors (Merged threads)

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    That's fine. I think that's a telling sign and we'd still get great value for him anyway.
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    The Lakers acquired Dwight Howard from the Magic in a four team trade. The Lakers received Chris Duhon and Earl Clark in the deal as well. They gave up Josh McRoberts, Christian Eyenga, a protected future 1st round pick, and a 2015 protected 2nd round pick to the Magic. They also sent Andrew Bynum to the 76ers.

    The Magic got McRoberts, Eyenga, a 1st and a 2nd round pick and cap space from the Lakers. They also got Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Nikola Vucevic, Moe Harkless, and a protected 1st round pick from Denver and the Sixers.

    For Dwight Howard.

    They would have gotten a lot more for him if they traded him a year earlier.

    Down with the ship.
     
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    serious question...do you even follow basketball?
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Yes I do. The NBA.com article didn't mention the Nuggets' role in the deal. I edited my post to reflect the additional players.

    Down with the ship. Orlando went from 37-29 in the strike shortened season to a 20 win team with that haul.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    You don't value wins?

    You think they're rebuilding around guys with 12 PERs?

    You think Denver's or the Lakers' draft picks are likely to be below #20 in the draft?
     
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    im sorry, what is your point exactly?
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    If they traded Howard a year earlier, they'd have gotten more for him.

    There were several teams that didn't want to risk giving up a lot of assets for him to have him bolt after a season.
     
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    There is a BIG difference between trading a disgruntled star who says he won't resign (Melo) and Hoping to resign a disgruntled star who wants out (Dwight). Orlando figured they could talk Dwight into signing an extension, they couldn't so they traded a player who COULDN'T sign an extension to his contract and coming off back surgery therefor diminishing his value. Also the Dwight deal was also looked down on as one of the worst trades the magic could do, right up there with Harden for the haul OKC got. BTW what Orlando actually got for dwight was, Josh McRoberts, Christian Eyenga, Maurice Harkless, Nikola Vucevic, Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, and draft picks;
     
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    what would they have gotten?
     
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    Google "Dwight Howard risk trade"

    You'll see a million hits talking about why teams would or wouldn't risk trading for Howard.

    The point I was making, and left unsaid, is that if you aren't going to get LMA to sign an extension, figure it out now and get the most you can for him. Otherwise, he'll be in the position of refusing a trade to Orlando for 5 of their next 10 lotto picks because he won't sign an extension.

    But I think BrianFromWA has been saying this for a while. He's pretty smart.
     
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    Of course you figure out if he is going to stay or not as soon as possible. LMA wants to see improvement and the team has improved but by how much is the question. The situation on whether he stays or not should be evaluated two more times next year, at the trade deadline and after the Blazers season ends, and if at either point it looks/sounds like LMA wants out you trade him.
    Olshey should have used this off season to gauge LMA market value and should continue to monitor it through the season.

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    They'd have had a choice of more than 3 or 4 teams willing to risk an offer.

    Surely more.

    The Rockets supposedly offered up a slew of 1st round picks, 2 of the guys they already picked with 1st round picks, Chandler Parsons, Kevin Martin and more for Howard and some of their shitty contracts (like Hedo's).

    The Blazers and Nets were looking at a 3-team deal involving GWallace and Brook Lopez going to the Magic for Howard and contract dumps.

    The Lakers were ready to part with a healthy Bynum and Gasol.

    The Hawks figured to have offered two of Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Al Horford.

    The Warriors' offer in 2011 started with Stephen Curry or Monta Ellis, pick one.

    etc.
     
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    whoopee. Lakers nver offered both. Was always one. And Orlando could have hd Bynum, didn't want him. Easy now to see why. An overpaid Joe Johnson, they should be so lucky!! Ellis is shit. Houston offer is meh. And they already could hae had Brook Lopez if they wanted to last year. So really, not a whole lot changed. Their new GM wanted to avoid striving for mediocrity, so passed on guys like Johnson, Ellis, Gasol, etc. Smart move. Went young tanked, got salary flexibility, high pick, etc. I fail to see an offer there where they're substantially better with a great future. And, that they couldn't have had(Brook Lopez) last summer.
     
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    Understood.

    Most of the deals I looked at were from trade deadline, not summer.
     
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    In retrospect, the Magic could have avoided the Dwightmare and arguably gotten a better haul. However, when teams tank for years to get a player like D12 they had to give it a year and hope they could make moves to make him stay.

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  17. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I'm getting your frequency Denny.
     
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    I would say we have a year to decide on LMA. Players do change their mind. That is the one thing we know for sure.

    Right now his rumored first choice (Dallas) has no assets to trade us. Next summer can only be better. Hell you never know they may have better assets in two years to trade us. If they use their cap space next summer like expected, a trade in two years may be the only way they can get LMA. There are a lot of ways this could go down.

    Other teams hoping for Lebron or Melo will have cap space next summer and will be easier to trade with. Say their #1 pick. You trade with them now and that #1 pick will not be as good.

    Olshey does not strike me to be one that will foolishly panic. The Blazers have time.
     
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    Blazers have a better chance getting an all star by trying to convince their current all star to stay and resign than trade him in for an bunch of long shots and hopeful dreams on lottery picks, IMO. If not, they clear the cap space and make a move for a big FA in a couple of years . . . hopefully they won't use that cap space of a bunch of other team's rejects this time. :)
     
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    The advantage is olshey didn't handcuff the team with high priced players that are only designed to play with Howard.

    Even if Aldridge left for nothing; which I seriously doubt; we still have good assets on our roster. Players with very manageable contracts; that can be used if we need to go a different direction.

    Use the Howard scenario all you want, but Aldridge isn't Howard. He isn't some primodonna that wants bright lights and big city. He's a dude that is reserved and keeps to himself. He just wants to win.
     

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