2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    S-Y-R-A-C-U-S-E
     
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  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Not at scoring, no, but at passing and rebounding and defense? Maybe.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Giannis isn't really even a point guard, his time at the point was Milwaukee's desperation...he's a tall small foward with good ball handling skills and playmaking ability... plus he's 6'11 for God sake...should be illegal to have him at the pg
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Positions are meaningless in the NBA right now. Think of it more as a the primary ball handler. Giannis as the primary ball handler is exceptional for his size.
     
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    Mrs. HCP's first name is Giannis?
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Saw that comming
     
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    So you were behind her?
     
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    Of course he will be better at rebounding, he's like twice as tall. Ditto defense. Not sure about passing.
     
  9. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    And all of those factor in. His numbers took off last year when they gave him full control of the reins. Final 26 games of the year, Giannis basically played point and averaged 18.8/8.4/7.5 on 51.5% shooting. I'm looking, but I can't find a 26 game stretch in Lillard's career where he averaged over 7.5 assists per game.

    Overall, it could be debatable that Giannis is better, even at Dame's primary position.
     
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    We don't need our PG to rebound. So I'd take a PG who averaged 25/7 over a whole season than a "PG" who had a 26 game stretch of 18/8.5
     
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    People get so caught up in positions and stereotypes. There are numbers that say Dame's best position is shooting guard.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Would you like your point guard to shoot 51% from the field? I know I would.
     
  13. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Well when your PG can't shoot a 3 to save his life he's gonna go inside and shoot a higher percentage.
     
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    What if the 18/8.5 PG is also an elite defender and the 25/7 guy is a sieve? Does that make a difference?

    Look, I'm not saying I want to trade Dame for Giannis. I'm simply saying that there's a valid argument to be made on both sides.
     
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    He's not a "sieve" and I wouldn't say Giannis is "elite".

    Either way I'll take the dude that can lead a team to a 2nd round playoff birth over the guy that can lead a team to a solid 32 wins or whatever that loser team had
     
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    And then there is the whole... "Leadership" part. Is there even a leader who is clearly better than Dame? I dont think so... not in our current NBA anyhow.
     
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    Exactly. And he makes his teammates better. There's more to that than assist numbers.
     
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    They won 10 of those 26 games. He really needs to win a little more before it's debatable IMO. Lets see how he does when teams adjust to his weaknesses as a PG.
     
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    I think positions are more relevant towards defense.

    Offensively I think you just look for traits from your 3 perimeter players:
    Primary Ball Handler (Dame/CJ)
    Secondary Ball Handler (Turner)
    Lockdown Defender (Turner/AC?/Moe?)
    Slasher (Turner/Harkless)
    Multi-Dimensional Scorer (Dame/CJ)
    Spot Up Shooter (Dame/CJ/Crabbe)

    I think it's great that we have two primary ball handlers and a secondary ball handler in our starting lineup. How many teams have that?

    So instead of looking at it like:
    PG-Lillard
    SG-McCollum
    SF-Turner

    You can look at it like:
    PBH-Lillard, CJ
    SBH-Turner
    LD-Turner
    SL-Turner
    MDS-Lillard, CJ
    3pt-Lillard, CJ

    For the Bucks, positions get murkey when you have Carter-Williams and Giannis on the floor at the same time. But you can simply break it
    PBH-Giannis
    SBH-MCW
    LD-Middleton, Giannis,
    SL-MCW, Giannis
    MDS-None
    3pt-Middleton
     
  20. BonesJones

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    In the frontcourt, I think it's simply based on who they defend. Meyers is a C because he's best guarding Centers, while Davis is a PF because he's best at guarding PFs. Ideally, one of your frontcourt players can shoot, and one is an infuse scorer. So these combos work well:

    PF Aminu / C Ezeli
    PF Davis / C Leonard
    PF Aminu / C Plumlee
    PF Vonleh / C Anybody
     

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